The Hippies Were Right!
Green homes? Organic food? Nature is good? Time To Give The Ol' Tie-Dyers Some Respect
Go ahead, name your movement. Name something good and positive and pro-environment and eco-friendly that's happening right now in the newly "greening" America and don't say more guns in Texas or fewer reproductive choices for women or endless vile unwinnable BushCo wars in the Middle East lasting until roughly 2075 because that would defeat the whole point of this perky little column and destroy its naive tone of happy rose-colored sardonic optimism. OK?
I'm talking about, say, energy-efficient light bulbs. I'm looking at organic foods going mainstream. I mean chemical-free cleaning products widely available at Target and I'm talking saving the whales and protecting the dolphins and I mean yoga studios flourishing in every small town, giant boxes of organic cereal at Costco and non-phthalates dildos at Good Vibes and the Toyota Prius becoming the nation's oddest status symbol. You know, good things.
Look around: we have entire industries devoted to recycled paper, a new generation of cheap solar-power technology and an Oscar for "An Inconvenient Truth" and even the soulless corporate monsters over at famously heartless joints like Wal-Mart are now claiming that they really, really care about saving the environment because, well, "it's the right thing to do" (read: It's purely economic and all about their bottom line because if they don't start caring they'll soon be totally screwed on manufacturing and shipping costs at/from all their brutal Chinese sweatshops).
There is but one conclusion you can draw from the astonishing (albeit fitful, bittersweet) pro-environment sea change now happening in the culture and (reluctantly, nervously) in the halls of power in D.C., one thing we must all acknowledge in our wary, jaded, globally warmed universe: The hippies had it right all along. Oh yes they did.
You know it's true. All this hot enthusiasm for healing the planet and eating whole foods and avoiding chemicals and working with nature and developing the self? Came from the hippies. Alternative health? Hippies. Green cotton? Hippies. Reclaimed wood? Recycling? Humane treatment of animals? Medical pot? Alternative energy? Natural childbirth? Non-GMA seeds? It came from the granola types (who, of course, absorbed much of it from ancient cultures), from the alternative worldviews, from the underground and the sidelines and from far off the goddamn grid and it's about time the media, the politicians, the culture as a whole sent out a big, wet, hemp-covered apology.
Here's a suggestion, from one of my more astute ex-hippie readers: Instead of issuing carbon credits so industrial polluters can clear their collective corporate conscience, maybe, to help offset all the savage damage they've done to the soul of the planet all these years, these commercial cretins should instead buy some karma credits from the former hippies themselves. You know, from those who've been working for the health of the planet, quite thanklessly, for the past 50 years and who have, as a result, built up quite a storehouse of good karma. You think?
Of course, you can easily argue that much of the "authentic" hippie ethos -- the anti-corporate ideology, the sexual liberation, the anarchy, the push for civil rights, the experimentation -- has been totally leeched out of all these new movements, that corporations have forcibly co-opted and diluted every single technology and humble pro-environment idea and Ben & Jerry's ice cream cone and Odwalla smoothie to make them both palatable and profitable. But does this somehow make the organic oils in that body lotion any more harmful? Verily, it does not.
You might also just as easily claim that much of the nation's reluctant turn toward environmental health has little to do with the hippies per se, that it's taking the threat of global meltdown combined with the notion of really, really expensive ski tickets to slap the nation's incredibly obese ass into gear and force consumers to begin to wake up to the savage gluttony and wastefulness of American culture as everyone starts wondering, oh my God, what's going to happen to swimming pools and NASCAR and free shipping from Amazon? Of course, without the '60s groundwork, without all the radical ideas and seeds of change planted nearly five decades ago, what we'd be turning to in our time of need would be a great deal more hopeless indeed.
But if you're really bitter and shortsighted, you could say the entire hippie movement overall was just incredibly overrated, gets far too much cultural credit for far too little actual impact, was pretty much a giant excuse to slack off and enjoy dirty lazy responsibility-free sex romps and do a ton of drugs and avoid Vietnam and not bathe for a month and name your child Sunflower or Shiva Moon or Chakra Lennon Sapphire Bumblebee. This is what's called the reactionary simpleton's view. It blithely ignores history, perspective, the evolution of culture as a whole. You know, just like America.
But, you know, whatever. The proofs are easy enough to trace. The core values and environmental groundwork laid by the '60s counterculture are still so intact and potent even the stiffest neocon Republican has to acknowledge their extant power. It's all right there: Treehugger.com is the new '60s underground hippy zine. Ecstasy is the new LSD. Visible tattoos are the new longhairs. And bands as diverse as Pearl Jam to Bright Eyes to NIN to the Dixie Chicks are writing savage anti-Bush, anti-war songs for a new, ultra-jaded generation.
And oh yes, speaking of good ol' MDMA (Ecstasy), even drug culture is getting some new respect. Staid old Time mag just ran a rather snide little story about the new studies being conducted by Harvard and the National Institute of Mental Health into the astonishing psychospiritual benefits of goodly entheogens such as LSD, psilocybin and MDMA. Unfortunately, the piece basically backhands Timothy Leary and the entire "excessive," "naive" drug culture of yore in favor of much more "sane" and "careful" scientific analysis happening now, as if the only valid methods for attaining knowledge and an understanding of spirit were through control groups and clinical, mysticism-free examination. Please.
Still, the fact that serious scientific research into entheogens is being conducted even in the face of the most anti-science, pro-pharmaceutical, ultra-conservative presidential regime in recent history is proof enough that all the hoary old hippie mantras about expanding the mind and touching God through drugs were onto something after all (yes, duh). Tim Leary is probably smiling wildly right now -- though that might be due to all the mushrooms he's been sharing with Kerouac and Einstein and Mary Magdalene. Mmm, heaven.
Of course, true hippie values mean you're not really supposed to care about or attach to any of this, you don't give a damn for the hollow ego stroke of being right all along, for slapping the culture upside the head and saying, See? Do you see? It was never about the long hair and the folk music and Woodstock and taking so much acid you see Jesus and Shiva and Buddha tongue kissing in a hammock on the Dog Star, nimrods.
It was, always and forever, about connectedness. It was about how we are all in this together. It was about resisting the status quo and fighting tyrannical corporate/political power and it was about opening your consciousness and seeing new possibilities of how we can all live with something resembling actual respect for the planet, for alternative cultures, for each other. You know, all that typical hippie crap no one believes in anymore. Right?
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185 Comments so far
Show AllI may be fully adherent to the general nature of the assertion, and subscribe to that ideology in many ways, but one has to look at historical reality. Read and watch a bit more, there's more to this than superficial claims might suggest. If one watches the Woodstock film, you'll see horrible mountains of garbage left by the hippies after the concert. Clearly thousands of those people were not being conscious enough about the environment to even clean up their own mess; among all that (as I recall) you'll see countless Pepsi cups and other containers for some reason. The hippies were obviously supporting a major corporation even while stoned or just relaxing to the music. Read books like the one I have (William Hudspeth?) on communes, written and published during the period. Not only is the author exhibiting both anti-Semitic and sexist language, but he also helpfully describes the blatant sexism among the so-called "movement" that is strange to read today. The "Rainbow" group involving John Sinclair and the MC5 was known for being openly sexist, and they were gluttonous meat-eaters, as well. I'm not criticizing peoples' diets, but these people didn't always practice what they preached. The 'peace and love generation' was also responsible for statements of violence, and you can pick up any Abbie Hoffman rant and read his gawky attempts at that sort of negativity (interviews with Woodstock organizers also reveal that Abbie threatened to disrupt the festival unless he was given extortion money). Of course, I also own a Hoffman-authored book where he lies about his stage-dump by the Who, but I have an audio recording of it, and there it is. You'll also see many examples of hippies eating meat and indulging in junk food, which environmentally-aware people might find surprising. Other stereotypes are easily disproven by simply examining material from that era. The commonly-known hippie 'costume' is an image familiar to many, yet it was just one example of a look cultivated by some. Watch those archival films from festivals and you'll see skinheads, people in chain mail, nun's habits, no clothing at all, cowboy outfits, formal clothes, whatever. It's a myth that everyone tried to look a certain way. In the same films, photos, etc., you'll see plenty of people drinking commercial beer brands rather than lighting up some healthy cannabis instead. Let's break up these stereotypes and label them as the myths that they really are.
"Argument by authority" (calling an argument "right" or "wrong" on the basis of the personality of those presenting it) is false grounds, & generalization (connecting a whole social group to a particular position) is a false warrant. What does any argument being sound (or any thesis being "right" or "wrong") have to do with anyone being called a "hippy" or not? Why imply that "hippies" were never "listened" to while citing so much evidence of the progress of their movement? Why imply that people wearing "tie-dye" have earned "respect"--What the fuck does that have to do with anything at all?
"Hippy" vs. "not-hippy", winning "respect" from a journalist incapable of critical thought, & judging people by their clothes are all non-issues. This is gossip fit for the fucking fashion cat-walk or Orange County bar scene.
Hippies... as an art student during that time, and truely being a starving artist I couldn't wait to get a job. From what I remember & with all the friends I lost to drugs it wasn't all that great, look at what hippie kids in general turned out, drugged out, stay at home violent little brats with their hand out. anyway now 55 semi retired with a two year old, drug free RVing around the country happy as can be http://www.guysmalley.com
I hung with a close group of friends in the 60s and early 70s, and we believed if it doesn't grow from the earth it isn't good for you.
Psychedelics brought you into the here and now and your mind was flooded with thoughts. Your best defense was to empty your mind of all thought, (impossible) but what remained were truly epiphanies.
I'll say again "anything you use as a crutch; will crumble"!
This is true for trying to repeat past movements, past experiences, using drugs or money to fix things.
If you promote a model of government; everybody around the medicine wheel has a different view of that model, leading to chaos.
We need to find a solution in the here and now; and NOT forget our past.
The American Indians ARE right. The Hippies were influenced by the Indian way. The Hippies were young people rediscovering their own indigenous roots. Hippies is just a title someone gave them. Some of the young people lost their way, because their own elders forgot to teach them the old ways and a little knowledge without the teaching from the elders can be harmful. Listen to your elders, right now they are calling for peace -- Grannies for Peace, CODEPINK and others. They are calling middle America to their feet. Listen.
The Hippies contributed much to the cultural shifts of the 1960s and 1970s, and have at times been unfairly scapegoated by critics on the right and on the left.
Still, if we look back at the hostility felt toward Hippies by many in the Black civil rights movements, by many Chicano and Native American activists in New Mexico, and by many within the feminist movement, we might come to a more balanced sense of the "movement's" strengths and limitations.
Clearly, the counterculture's critique of conformity, consumerism, and militarism is important. Yet none of these problems have abated. They may be worse. And let's be clear: the anti-war movement was not the Hippie movement; they were two distinct if overlapping things.
This is not to say the Hippies were inauthentic but to point out that the dominant culture only accepted the part of the message from the counterculture that did not threaten the dominant stuctures of power.
I'm left wondering if any movement based on the individual can ever achieve lasting structural change.
The times have changed but for many of us the core values have remained the same. It wasn't about long hair, free-sex and drugs - it was about finding ways to live peacefully and humanely on the earth.
We stopped the Viet Nam War, that was a GREAT Accomplishment that no redneck starch head can take away from us.
Now we have another few wars to stop started by the same bunch who started the other one. Why not put an end to that same bunch so we can get back to smiling again?
Isn't "Eurobelle" criticizing Hippies from the left and not from the right?
It was a common criticism of the counterculture, even in the 1960s, that it ignored the economic injustices suffered by the working classes. She has a point.
The critique is not new, but shouldn't we ask ourselves if removing ourselves from "the system" was a good idea?
why is anybody even responding to eurosmell? negative cmments validate. she doesn't need or deserve validating. she is not valid. why bother to read her dribble? let her stew in her own juices. you wouldn't try to argue with cheney would you?
Nice work Pastor! :)
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Dear Vogthe,
You say, " ...but taking this approach to extreme violence may not be the best route. Anger is a great motivator... "
Well, in my experience, to date, I have seldom seen violence succeed. There may (on some occasions) a seeming short-term gain, but overall I feel that 'violence begets violence' in human societies. ~ And then things escalate.
~A local internecine squabble can grow into feuds enveloping larger sections, and then on to **civil, or even international wars? Have not long-term feuds existed in your own country between fellow countrymen, -who are still full of separative vengeance after many long years? Ditto Ireland. ~ and so on...
[** What a strange term 'civil war' is. Has there ever yet been a *civil* war? Are they not all uncivil?]
You write, "...pacifism failed in the 60's"
I wonder which or what you are quoting there. Did we achieve nothing with our 'sit down' protests, sit-ins, demos and marches and many other creative, peaceful actions? Did Ghandi achieve nothing, or Martin Luther King...? Further back, how about Christ or Buddha, -both of who strongly advocated non-violence.
You must of course choose for yourself Vogthe, but for my part I don't like to be filled with angers and such, it's not fun, and it's not good for my mind, body, or spirit! [Kindness, caring and laughter are scientifically proven to prolong a healthy life, whilst uptightness, anger, resentments and fear detract fully from our wellbeing, for just one sample, try this link: http://www.umm.edu/features/laughter.htm ]
Also: "...we must stay angry at least…not take it out on innocent people but on the war-mongers..."
...er... the thought occurs to me: 'Pick on someone your own size m'dear!' They who remove our taxes and then squander it on iniquitous weaponry have, perforce, got more guns and bombs than you or I. Playing them at their own game, -is that altogether wise? ;)
However, the good news is that *they are in the minority*!!
If 'we the people' wake up a bit more, then rise up, we outnumber them many times over. ~So how to win peoples' hearts and minds? Beat them on the head? Brainwash them? ~Or maybe appeal to common denominators, appeal to their higher instincts, appeal to their innate sense of love and decency et al.
That's the theory, and... it has worked, thousands of times over throughout history.
Every saint, genius, high-minded, honourable 'illuminati' and etc has run into trouble with either petty-fogging bureaucrats, through to the downright murderous rulers of their day, but who is now best remembered, -those who tried to stand in the way of progress, or those who valiantly stuck to ethical, progressive principles?
We've nearly all heard of Joan of Arc, Ghandi, Origen, Shakespeare, Christ, Leonardo, Galileo, the Cathars, Socrates, Schweitzer, Edith Cavell, Henry Thoreau, Plato, Florence Nightingale, Harriet Tubman, Paul Robeson, Dian Fossey, Paul Revere, Rudi Dutschke, Rosalie Bertell, Francis of Assisi, Nikola Tesla, Einstein, Andrei Sakharov, Loung Ung, Nelson Mandela, José MartÃ, Darwin, Rosa Parks, Alan Turing, Emmeline Pankhurst, Mark Twain, Steve Biko, Frances Ellen Watkins, Ron Kovic, the Comte de St Germaine, Patch Adams, Joe Hill, Rachel Corrie, Martin Luther, Rosa Luxemburg, Medgar Evers, the students at Tiananmen Square, Vaclav Havel, Madam Blavatsky, Corbin Harney, and a whole multitude of others, ~ but who remembers the names of their narrow-minded detractors and persecutors now?
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There is that phrase: 'By their fruits ye shall know them'. If I or you create yet more havoc, violence and chaos, we will only leave yet another messy, bloody smear of gore on this planet behind us, and not be remembered for any supposed 'good intentions' we may have had, ~ the 'means must fit the end' -and all that?
I applaud your activism Vogthe. A teacher once asked, "What's to be done about ignorance and apathy?" A lethargic student replied, "I don't know and I don't care!'.
Never give up Bro' ...
You ask about Bin Laden, I reply that one man's 'monster' is another man's hero, so how are we to adjudge?
Once again I suggest, "By their fruits know them" – has Osama B.L. helped to bring in a new era of peace and prosperity in his various locations, or maybe more security and equal rights for women? Has he built freethinking, progressive educational establishments, or loads of free hospitals and supplied health care to the poorest on this earth with his vast wealth? Or, has he maybe championed many cultural activates and furthered the arts and / or international peace efforts? ...
I rather think not, -on each of those counts.
I would count his 'fruits' then, as no more than decayed apples, -much the same as those of his supposed adversaries: ~ GW Bush, and that dark coven.
Never ever give up folks! :)
xx
Yan
Pastor, Howard Zinn couldn't have said it better. Non-violent action has changed the country's course many times in the past.
Hopefully, it will in the future, as well.
Pacifism did not fail in the 60's. Militarism did. Or are you saying that Vietnam was a victory and the civil rights movement a failure? Did Mahatma Gandhi give in to the British government? Is the Soviet Union still a viable political entity? Did corporations voluntarily give us the 40 hour work week? In fact, pacifist movements have been frequently successful in over 2400 years of history. For a comprehensive list of what pacifist methods have been used and how successful they were from the time of the Roman Empire to the 1970's track down Gene Sharp's three part series "The Politics of Nonviolent Action." Unfortunately, it is out of print, but it should be required reading for every civics class.
Anything you use as a crutch will crumble!
I was there. As always, we should keep the good (and it was there in the "hippie" sub-culture) and toss what didn't really work. There was plenty wrong with the Ozzie and Harriet fantasy that the US was living during the late '50s and early '60s, and some solutions were indeed brought to light by those sickened by Vietnam and the worship of consumerism.
That said, the true "hippie" was a short lived phenomenon of the mid to late 60's, with much to owe the Beats. As soon as the mass media got a hold of the idea it became a parody. The truly innovative moved on to new frontiers.
Organic milk, anyone?
I like your comments yan but taking this approach to extreme violence may not be the best route. Especially if you are in Iraq, or Darfur, or Afghanistan. Anger is a great motivator...pacifism failed in the 60's...we can see the proof of that today...the values of love survived but they are in a kind of underground state. It's not safe to come out because of the violence. Until it is safe to be a loving human being I think we must stay angry at least...not take it out on innocent people but on the war-mongers. Im like a Rage Against the Machine kind of activist now. My father was a hippie and I am taking the best values from that time and trying to weave them into the reality I am living today. And Bin Ladin is fighting the very corruption you despise. You mean not like his means but the end result is what your values espouse....to take back the earth! Bin Ladin has been created by the propagandists as the biggest monster of this century..do you believe it is true? Or are there bigger monsters doing more damage around the globe?
A UK perspective:
Dear U.S. brothers and sisters,
Lots of love and fraternal hugs to you who are of the generation who reincarnated after WW2 specifically to 'try to make a difference'.
Of we 'Hippies' :: ~ We aimed high, ... but was it 'getting high' that somewhat subverted what we were all about? ::
We came here to try to change things; we were 'different' from our parents, -right from the start, (and even before the drugs!)
To Eurobelle, or *Euro-bellicose*? (-It's your choice dear soul). Is your heart in the right place, or is there only a busy head at work? Maybe therapeutic / spiritual help could help to awaken more compassion for your fellow beings? Insults + berating others do not further your cause, people just turn off from you, and you become isolated, aloof, an 'ineffectual intellectual', (and then even more frustrated and angry). :( An Amer-Indian saying goes: "Every time you point the finger of blame at someone, three fingers are pointing back at you".
Re: your boast of (almost) mastering many languages: A person may speak 25 different tongues, but if their overall effect is only to spread yet more division and odium in the world...?? well, ~like Lord Buddha said: "Better than a thousand hollow words, ~ is one word that brings peace."
And of languages dear Euro-b. -the language you unwittingly speak is that of 'Jackal', ~ as opposed to 'Giraffe'. Your life and work will be much facilitated if you check out Marshal Rosenberg's NVC ::: http://www.cnvc.org/ ::: to understand what I mean by that.
A sharp tongue divides, a warm heart unites.
And is this all just my 'psychobabble' as you (rudely) put it? No! – because I work professionally with people, and have proved the truth of such words countless times.
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Lifelong I have worked with many activists, but some who had really good ideas in their heads, had 'bad ideas' in their hearts, and thus they caused yet more divisions and separatism, not lasting, peaceful change, (as they might have hoped).
Love is not an easy thing to live, it can be really hard work, esp as it means we have to *change* ourselves. "Be the change you want to see in the world" said Ghandi, (but he wasn't addressing you personally EuroB, :) ~ but spoke each of us who care passionately about the world and it's peoples, and are trying, -lifelong, to 'make a difference'.
A definition: "Love is goodwill in action"
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~I disagree with: "...but continue to be angry because there is an extremely violent struggle going on in the world." ~ Fighting fire with fire? Fighting anger with anger? ...and thus set the whole world on fire?? Is that the 'Bush-bin-Laden School of Peacemaking' at work here?
I'd prefer not to 'do' more anger, -God knows, there's enough of that in the world already! As we slowly 'grow up' (as a race), we'll do less anger and negative emotion, and do more cooperative / creative / heart-wisdom stuff instead.
Politicians? "Don't follow leaders, walking parking meters" sang Dylan, but you U.S. folks didn't have 'saint' Dennis Kucinich and his beautiful new age wife back then... :)____________
I was what some will call a 'hippie' way back when, but before being so, was training in the arts and dedicated to wanting to make changes in the world. Yes, we did drugs, but after experimenting for a while, I realised they weren't doing me any good, so I quit. (I prefer my brain unscrambled, it works better then!)
My lovers, close friends and peers who shared the same aspirations and commitment to change carried on using dope. They sure talked a lot, ~ but the more they poisoned themselves with drugs, the less they seemed to ever _achieve_ anything! Commenting on this hazard, Captain Beefheart sang: "All you ever do is babble and smoke!"
I carried on with my eagerness for change, (I am as much inspired today as I was back then!) I've never given up and sunk into the stoned despair and disillusionment that many of my drug-using (prior) friends now suffer from, --(those who didn't die from drug OD's or go insane from their noxious drugs, that is).
En route to here + now I have done a lot of therapy / self-growth work, realising that to change me for the better, is to change one tiny bit of the world for the better.
My kids have adopted their own course in life, but were imbued with concepts akin to so-called 'hippy' ideals, (which are actually close allies to most spiritual teachings, -such as caring for our fellow beings and all living things) and thus they will carry the torch long after I've departed this little bodily shell.
Having 'dropped out' earlier in life, I then dropped back in, but not just to become an owner of expensive luxuries, (we here in the UK are generally poorer than our US kinfolk anyway?) I trained in various 'useful' disciplines, -became a psychotherapist, teacher, craftsman, writer, et al.
In my 'spare time' (huh! -what's that!) I make music, --songs to help inspire others to commit to useful, beneficial change and live with a celebration of life in their hearts, so in effect I keep alive my original 'hippy' ideals alive, and am putting them into practice.
Most of our current friends are very busy too, -living attempted 'alternative' lifestyles, but contributing usefully to society in roles such as therapy, healing, teaching, social work, crafts / artistic pursuits, and so on. Our local town is a veritable bastion of 'alternative' folk now!
Our friends don't really do drugs, it conflicts with being clear-headed and 'together' enough to hold very responsible, caring, and demanding roles. We all just do as we can to change the world, -each in our own way.
I would like to request a similar commitment of anyone who reads this blog:
--Dear Souls, please acknowledge that you and I are indeed each just one tiny droplet. But real-eyes that even the *most powerful wave* is just made up of similar tiny droplets, - all moving together as one...
Together we can, -and will, change it all around, using peaceful, intelligent means, and not the terrible emotional brute violence and insanity so favoured by the cavemen currently haunting the White House, the UK's Whitehall (and etc).
We have come a long way since the 60's and 70's, and, (as noted above), have spawned very many beneficial changes. The dark-hearted ones, -though now grouped, and undeniably strong, are actually in their death throes, -they know we have sown seeds which they cannot hope to ever eradicate from this Earth now, (no matter how they try to damage the good that has been done, -with all their backward measures and evil new wars etc).
The seeds we sowed waaaaay back then have sprouted. We need to see that, and be enthused! :)
Our children's generation will harvest that which we started, and will carry on our work...
Don't ever give up trying, dear cousins in America, your nation has an important role to play in the future of the human race, so don't let your current villains (the crazed politicians, mendacious media tie-coons, the ossified, greedy business stalactites, and the many religious fanatics) ever sway you from your course.
Use the divine gift of the Internet to ensure your very best thoughts (and loving HEARTS!) are heard, -frequently and often.
We need you guys with this 'vision' -- just as you need us, as well as all our other kinfolk, (right across the globe), ~to each play our own useful part.
No go listen to your CDs of Phil Ochs, John Prine, Beefheart and BrightEyes, (etc) eulogising our beautiful revolution, and get active and re-inspired!
Towards loving and peaceful futures, dear friends across the pond.
xxx
From Yan (UK)
Never let it be said that pacifists are scared to die. They have been willing to die many times throughout history and certainly have died opposing the government during the volatile 60's. The essence of pacifism is being unwilling to kill. It places them on inherently superior ground when they face a violent oppressor and results in the success of their movements, unlike the current war where military action has lifted a tyrant to the status of nostalgic hero and created an unwinnable calamity.
Eurobelle, while the hippies did want to create connectedness through a non-monetary culture, there is another reason why monetary systems are suspect. The monetary system relies on mark-up of prices or inflation or greed, whatever you would like to call it. Essentially, the people at the bottom of the system are offered less and less reward for more and more labor. In theory, a barter based system would give equitable exchange for equitable goods and services. It is inherently more environmentally friendly and economically equal.
"Celebrating hippie culture is like celebrating Hitler because he put Germany back to work and boosted the national morale while ignoring that he did it by slaughtering millions of innocents and starting WWII."
What a comparison! Even if you absolutely loathe the Hippes and the so-called counter culture making a comment like this - besides being wrong - is evil, ugly and INSANE!
Conceding that you dislike Hippies - what where the parallel evils that they wrought upon the world that even remotely equals "slaughtering millions of innocents and starting WWII." Does people getting high and laid really trouble you so much...perhaps it was trying end the war or segregation that bothers you.
Question: Have you gotten laid yet?
peace...walter
communitarian,
It certainly is happening today but it started several decades ago and even the fourth reich moves slowly. The problem of the genetically flatlined electroencephalograms of the center of the country remains. Remember the "dull as a mud fence" resistance to the pronouncement by the Dixie Chicks that they were ashamed that George Bush claimed to be from Texas. The reaction is chronicled in a documentary which came out last year. The folks in the middle have had high starch diets for generations and there is barely enough cortex remaining there to enable them to drive a car. They are quite clearly physically unable to think. These people think Harry Potter is the devil, they burned their Beatles records when I was growing up, and want to guillotine Michael Moore today. They are extremely uncomfortable and paranoid when around any sort of creative endeavor designed to help them achieve community. They just don't have the mental equipment to deal with complexity.
They were a problem in the 60's and they remain a problem today. The only thing that wakes them up is a slasher movie or a slaughter like Kent State. Then they will move into action and take the credit. I have the surreal belief that these people may not have come from earth originally. They still carry with them an insupportable drive to breed uncontrollably like they came here to colonize this planet from some other. And they really just don't get it. If you help them across the road they will often think that you are really dragging them into traffic.
It's a long way to the top if you want to rock and roll. There is a great group in Ohio I just became aware of called Ohio Peak Oil Action...and they have a great website http://www.ohiopeakoilaction.org/ It is necessary to act on all fronts at once to meet the challenge presented by the nearly human GOP. Although I support it, I'm not so sure that impeachment will work other than to provide a small bump in the road to empire because of the way Dr. Strangelove Rove has packaged the attack on us American Natives. The ethanol bamboozle has poured billions into the midwest as they turn food into energy and drive up the price of corn masa in Mexico by 30-40% according to my local taco parlor in Albany, CA. And since the Mexicans refuse to act responsibly and stop having so many babies that they can't support they are all starving down there and coming north to graze our meager job markets. This increases the pressure on us who are already living here and we are becoming more and more like the Israelis dealing with the most unabashedly prolific group in the world, the Palestinians. The average age in Gaza, Palestine is 14.5 years, the age where the most physical growth takes place in the human body and where the need to vast amounts of food is critical. Birth control is frowned upon by the Muslims in the same manner as with the Roman Catholics and since the citizens in both areas are very young and ignorant they are used to attack political structures and promised a place in heaven for their sacrifice. It is either sacrifice or misery and they choose sacrifice in ever increasing numbers. We are ready to build a bigger wall and containment structure on the Mexican border because the state of American business is so bad now through outsourcing, that the guest worker argument is losing ground. People in America now need jobs. We need to support our small families now. We can no longer allow people into the country who will place an increasing burden on the limited resources by their refusal to take their responsibility in limiting their family to one child.
The most telling moment in the early Bush presidency was when he under the direction of Fallwell, Roberts, and the Pope; stopped family planning information and materials from going to the geographic "South". No more money from the US to the UN if the UN was to get people to practice birth control. This one action was infinitely more damaging than the war in Iraq, or Lebanon, or Afghanistan. This one action of Bush assured that the enormous problems in the "South" would continue indefinitely and that wars would ensue and that misery would continue without end.
Progressives like to kid themselves that if Bush went the way of the dinosaur that he is, everything would be just hunkey dorey but even with the impeachment of Bush, Cheney would be able to appoint another vice president, before being ousted. Nancy Pelosi will never be president under succession rules. The last time this was tried we got rid of Spiro Agnew and Nixon appointed Ford. Then Nixon resigned and we got Ford and then Ford pardoned Nixon and the speaker of the house never got the job. The same thing will happen today if it is tried. Someone who will be guaranteed to maintain the ruinous policy like James Sensenbrenner, or even Jeb Bush will become the appointed vice president and the problems will continue while orchestrated behind the scenes by the same Texas Chainsaw Crew of Jim Baker, Andrew Card, Karen Hughes, and Rove. Remember that the last time we tried to rid ourselves of a rogue elephant we had large Democratic margins in the House and the Senate, and even had a good bunch on the Supreme Court.
I apologize for going off-thread with this rant but I'll take my audience where I find it and I appreciate your willingness to comment on my screed.
Probably the most fun in the hippie days for me was skinny dipping in the quarry in back of Lynn Phares place in Potomac, Md with fifty other freaks on acid; makin' it with my wife on a rock beside the road along the trans canada highway watching the caribou do the same thing; and finally attending the nude chamber music party with the Los Angeles Symphony at Jimmy Webb's place in Encino along with Little Feat, Joni Mitchell breast-feeding her new baby, and 100 other LA music and TV folks in 1970. Then there were the nightly jams at the Moonfire Inn in Topanga, jumping into a ditch to get out of the way of an out of control Neil Young on a gas powered micro-bike, John Farringtons silver Mercedes with his bead collection in the trunk and in one drawer it was packed with Clear Light Acid from Augustus Stanley Owsley. Driving a cab high on acid competing for orders with Danny Glover.
You can't get memories like these anymore because people are too scared to compete with the authorities. The interesting thing in all of this licentious behavior was that nobody got hurt and everybody coped. I wonder if that could happen today?
michaelkjordan@yahoo.com
michael jordan:
You namedropper you!Ha!Had to add the "ha" as my jokes have been misinterperted on this site before.Wanted to add a brief personal history.Nothing as star-studded as your story but perhaps informative anyway.
I was a student at the UW-Madison from 1965-1970-a Political Science major.I was a vet with one child. In spite of being classmates with the most "radical" elements on campus-my first vote for Prez. was Goldwater and my 68 vote was too embarassing to mention on this site. What changed me as my health failed over the years was the knowledge that there are major differences among politicians and parties. Also-Progressives should always keep in mind that some wealthy people are needed for changes to be made {short of a bloodpath}. Thus-please don't quibble with people like The Nation's publisher over small differences in philosophy.Gratitude can be effective and shouldn't be confused with kowtowing.
Others mentioned the use of undercover agents to sabotage movements.Those here in Madison faced a particularly virulent form of that in the Cointelpro.
Regardin drug usage- of course weed was demonized by the warmongers-you can't mold killing machines out of young dopers.The opposition of the pharmaceutical companies and drug cartels to the legalization of this benign drug is a scandal of about 80 years duration. Just noticed the lack of a g in regarding above. That's appropriate as Madison's offering to the 08 Prez. race-Toxic Tommy Thompson" always drops his g's. Talk about a schizophrenic political climate- we have The Progressive Magazine- Freedom From Religion Society-John Nichols & Tommy Thompson.
Were it not for the prohibitive price of-and punishment for using-weed I'd be celebrating this thread by lighting a very large doobie.But at age 65 I won't risk a term in our ever-expanding jail.
I like your comments about these people not being of this earth. I remember Jim Morrison's song:
What have they done to the earth
What have they done to our fair sister
Ravaged and plundered and ripped her and bit her
Stuck her with knives in the side of the dawn and
Tied her with fences and dragged her down
I hear a very gentle sound
With your ear down to the ground
WE WANT THE WORLD AND WE WANT IT NOW
This pack has taken over the world for their own destructive ends. It reminds me of Marlon Brando's character in Apocolypse Now. He was completely mad from so much war and misery. This is a glimpse into the souls of the war-mongers and the elites who support them. It's a scary glimpse. Imagine a world run by people like him.
I remember absorbing the music of the sixties into my braincells and bloodstream. The rage of Jim Morrison, the creativity of Pink Floyd' Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young's "almost cut my hair" brought tears to my eyes. I understood their struggle. It was one of I cant stand this system and I will either kill myself, go insane, or fight against it! This struggle was felt not only on an intellecutal level, but it was a primitive, instinctual revulsion against injustice of every conceivable kind in the last 10 000 or so years that all humankind has been subjected to! Every hurt, every humiliation, every slight, every injustice became intolerable as it was possible, for once, to change everything for the better. The world was in a place where the US won the war and gained control of the agenda. The world would now be led by a capitalist/agressive agenda or a socialist/peaceful agenda.
There is a constant push and pull between both sides, like a giant tug of war. Currently, the right is winning, but in the sixties, clearly the left was winning. We almost pulled the rope all the way to the left but the right basically changed the rules. They metaphorically shot all the contenders. They changed the way the game was played. We are now in a materialistic, capitalist, big business/corporate driven world. This agenda must be globalized, we are told, or we will all perish. We are all going to die, but those of us who value quality of life, would like to live a life of dignity, values of peace and respect. We are all backed into a corner now. Our lives have become micromanaged. We all try to forget what is happening in the world and to our sense of autonomy and personal power being eroded by the state. We watch tv, turn to religion, drink alcohol or whatever to make the world tolerable.
But always, the inevitable nagging in the back of ones mind is there....there is something wrong that we must fight against. Fight it with a union, with a protest, with a blog or a chatroom but continue to be angry because there is an extremely violent struggle going on in the world and we are just waiting to see who the final victor will be. The latest generation seems to be passively accepting their fate. It is up to the freaks to fight, to motivate the unmotivated...we did it once and we can do it again. This time, without all the negatives!
Go ahead brothers and sisters. Let your freak flag fly!
In honor of the hippies:
Almost cut my hair
It happened just the other day
It's getting kinda long
But I didnt and I wonder why
Guess I felt like letting
my freak flag fly
I feel like I owe it to someone
We owe it to ourselves
The Hippie era extended from 1966 until the collapse of Richard M. Nixon. At Dick's resignation the tenseness subsided somewhat and people relaxed too much and the Justice Department started going after soft drugs such as acid and pot and started allowing hard drugs to become more available. The plan of the Justice Department was that the hippies would be unable to differentiate between the benefits of enlightenment afforded users of pot and acid and the highly destructive consequences of cocaine, speed, and opiates. I remember that in D.C. pot and acid busts were increased and Owsley had to disappear, and Leary had to leave the country; while cocaine was starting to be pushed as a cheap alternative to psychedelics. Increasingly, in the early 70's, pot and hash were being mixed with opium and people were being truly drugged. To get out of the stupor of short term hard drug withdrawal they were offered speed.
Good psychedelics were increasingly hard to find and became increasingly hard to afford. Decent pot could be had for $10 (ten) dollars a lid (ounce) in 1966 and by 1973 it went to $40 to $50 dollars an ounce. Now it is $80 or more an 1/8 of an ounce. Acid which was relatively easy to make; was $1 a hit in a sheet of $100 and it sold for $3. a hit. But a bust involving a $3. hit of acid to the wrong customer could get you a life sentence. It was legal to take it in 1966. Judges, lawmakers, and presidents felt that enlightenment of a large number of people which had been going on for 7 years or so was costing them. The corrupt president and Justice Department were afraid that they would no longer be able to control the free-thinkers. People were thinking for themselves and coming up with solutions which were socialistic and all inclusive. Birth control was working and labor wages were stabilizing. People were thinking. This was considered dangerous for the prospects of the status quo authoritarian class so they primed those who were happy with being told how to think and increased their access to guns all the while pouring cheap cocaine and opium and heroin into the streets. This is how the same group of people and their identical selfish interests conquered the Chinese. The British forbears of Tony Blair and George Bush and Dick Cheney got the Chinese hooked on opiates in order to conquer them
It is not as if these things are difficult to comprehend but it is to our everlasting peril to assume that these tactics are not at the top of the motivations of the authoritarians in government today. Ask yourself why poppy fields are NEVER bombed, while benign pot farmers are perennially harassed even in California and other places where the people want it. The uncomfortable truth is that the government will go out of its way to bring opiates and cocaine into the country to weaken the foolish just as they recently were seen to do in L.A. Ask Maxine Watters, or Gary Webb, or Daniel Sheehan about this one. They were stonewalled because there really is a right wing stranglehold on the world's citizens and it keeps it's grip by making more addicts; diluting labor movements by discouraging birth control and family planning; de-funding education so that people can't think straight, and placing more guns into the world and baiting fights, and using bizarre immigration policy to increase hostility between workers. And progressives lap up the conservative swill like it was nectar from the gods.
The last thing any of these authoritarians want is peace. The hippies came from a very tuned-out historical legacy and developed positive awareness in spite of centuries of cultural programming solely because of the mass enlightenments of the acid tests in New York, San Francisco and Berkeley. People could travel easily and work was plentiful. The U.S. borders were relatively secure from diluting immigration and the power of Acid was making a difference in the way people interacted with the world. Art and music flourished to a degree not seen since the early 1800's. Even Catholics were seen to be practicing birth control. Science was looking toward sustainable sensibility and management of the Earth's resources. Solar power was birthed. The first microprocessors were made. Human genetic research blossomed.
All of those elements were seen to endanger the Oil and Coal based business model. The authoritarians could not figure how to control the population if they were able to harness free energy and didn't need to send money to PG&E and Con Ed. "We'll keep destroying the solar energy movement until we can figure out how to put a meter on the Sun."
A plan for war was developed by Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld back in the early days of the Nixon Administration and the main thrust was to shut the Hippies up, because from their view they had no worth which was not measured with money. So they proceeded to kill Hippies, drug Hippies, jail Hippies, had the media grossly misrepresent Hippies. They shot John Lennon, overdosed Janice, Jimmie, and others. They had earlier killed MLK RFK, JFK, & Malcom. And it continues today with the jailing of Democratic fundraiser Martha Stewart, the threatened jailing of Michael Moore, etc. They have us on the ropes and hope that we will try and escape so that they can shoot us in the street just like at Kent State.
Acid showed Hippies how to think when the authoritarians wanted to tell us what to think. There will always be eras where people need to get their collective heads in sync and Acid was the key. In 1649 there were the Diggers who maintained that all land be held in common for the common good. They were slaughtered. In 1969, 320 years later there were the Hippies. They are a dying breed who valiantly tried to take the wheel of history with peace as a guiding ethic, but with the increased burden of completely unchecked population growth in the "South" and with it; migration to the "North" in search of food which is in short supply, the pressures of competition for sustenance are going to bring the planet to a state of horrible war which will last for hundreds of years. Within 20 years this nation is going to be a complete military dictatorship and as the spirits wither and the souls long for release the dream will be over and the nightmare will own the planet.
We need to do much more than we are doing right now and the first thing on the agenda is to stop having children after 1. Without Zero Population Growth being worldwide law in the next five years the scenario outlined above will be unavoidable. The doors of perception only open up about every hundred years so the next opening will start about 2062. Even if you don't plan to be around then help guide those who will be around. And as anyone who has been to the "Other Side" knows You never come back and so you don't need drugs to get you where you already are. So stay sane, care for others and don't add to the misery around you by having more children.
michaelkjordan@yahoo.com
Yes, we were right. Enough of us did not know why. Our feelings and intentions contained revolutionary elements like peace, and love, and repect for all life and our dear Mother, earth. We thought we could drop out, form a counter-culture and then society as a whole would see and adopt our better values. Not enough of us understood that it was (is) a systemic issue, capitalism, an organization of productive forces incompatible with peace, cooperation, and love. Now our capitalism turns to its fascist phase in a desperate self-defence that is clear enough for many, many more of us to see. It is lovely that we have organic oils in our body products, but the state of the world is more dreadful than ever. Our digitally based productive powers, revolutionary powers, remain in the hands of dinosaurs, the same capitalists who burst the bonds of fuedalism with the advent of steam. But the digital world is un-copyrightable, un-ownable, in its natural element it is uncontrollable and therefore intensly democratic, and easily distributed, unlike a steam engine. The capitalist response is to sell us ads, and to invert the technology to track us, keep surveillance records. So what? I don't have anything to hide, except a desire for a hippy world, a world of peace and love, and a riddance from capitalist war-mongering pigs. In the old days (the 60's) it was popular to say that communism was an "ideal," that people couldn't really live that way because we were inherently evil, greedy. Communism described a seemingly unattainable society. Yes; but what about peace and love, repect for the planet and each other? What about Christ and Buddha and the white light and oneness of the universe? Those also remain truths from the hippies. Some of us saw it clearly. ;-)) As hippies we were coopted. Our hair became fashion. Our clothing became fad. Our music was contorted by a rich exclusive industry. We were defeated, we gave up. We took mortgages and bought stocks. The capitalist system prevailed with war after war. Now with our moisturized skin and generally good health and shiny hair that which we knew was wrong prevails and that which we knew was right beckons, no, demands our renewed action. The earth is in the balance. Capitalism is in the frying pan. Time to turn up the heat. This time with Christ and Buddha and Marx!
As usual, Eurobelle makes sure everyone's flowers are splattered with a little acid rain.
"I can't deal with everything (even to read), so I'll just add a couple of more comments"
You can't be bothered to read what you're commenting on? How do you know then that your responses have any validity? Or do you just not care?
"Why would an overfed liberal, a daughter of hippies, care about other people?"
Why would anyone of any background care about other people? Why would a comfortable French/German doctor give up his practice to treat poor natives in Africa?* Why would a middle-class white woman give up an easy life to work among the poor and help found the NAACP? ** Why would a decorated combat veteran who volunteered to fight come out against war and be shunned because of it? *** I understand that you have a severe limitation in your capacity for empathy or compassion, but that doesn't apply to everyone.
* Dr. Albert Schweitzer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Schweitzer
** Jane Addams
http://www.uic.edu/jaddams/hull/ja_chronology.html
*** Ron Kovic
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0468407/bio
"I have a problem not so much with your past, as with your present state of mind. Terrifying hypocrisy and selfishness."
Terrifying that you don't bother to carefully read and consider what you get angry about.
There were agent provocateurs in our inclusive movement sent by conservatives to destroy it. Young innocent hippie wannabees fell victim to conservative predators posing as hippies, giving hippiedom a bad name.
We didn't try to change the system as much as to get conservatives off our backs. Putting our bodies on the line to stop the killing and persecution was not a bad thing. And we were egalitarian, unconcerned with fame and fortune, living for the day and trying to lose our egos.
Many hippies lost hope that we could live in peace among conservatives. In the end we went back to the land to do our own thing and to separate ourselves from the conservative establishment, trying to find harmonious ways to live. They were angry with us for not conforming; for not playing their game.
Liberals as a whole are not overfed. We are more concerned with eating wholesome food and staying healthy than our drinking, smoking and junk food eating fat and decadent conservative friends with the money-power to hoard and gorge. We took care of each other and used traditional meds when possible instead of depending on selfish corporation's products. Hippies took entheogens to expand our minds, not to kill brain cells like with alcohol. Stewart Brand of the Whole Earth Catalog called pot a creative tool. The best music came from the sixties.
The 20th century became a disaster when peace and love were overcome by war and hate. When "love thy neighbor" was overcome by "greed is good", when people-power was overcome by the money-power, when our love of nature was overcome by worship for Mammon.
These are the facts m'am. No bragging intended. And it affects us all the more because we experienced that love is all we need. Liberals are responsible for all the progressive changes in this century, as referenced in this article. It did cost us a conservative blowback and I think that is the central issue with your complaint.
Actually you only allowed the establishment to do what they wanted.
The were always paying attention - putsch of 1934, Rockefellers's Nazis - and intensified their efforts after 1964
(Scaiffe & Co)
"at the very least, my generation planted healthy and beneficial seeds of social and political subversion, what comes of those seeds isn't entirely or only up to us"
This exactly my point
Arrogant, ignorant and selfish statement.
A very similar social subversion a century earlier (decadence)led to the disaster of the 20th century.
Unlike you, some of the bastards actually paid for their
version of subversion.
I can't deal with everything (even to read), so I'll just add a couple of more comments
This proud daughter (24) shouldn't be so proud. Universal health care, labor issues are not on her agenda. Why would an overfed liberal, a daughter of hippies, care about other people?
Most of you are bragging about angering the establishment
and provoking it to mobilize. Thank you very much. The world is grateful. In other words, you were agent provocateurs - the others are paying.
I have a problem not so much with your past, as with your present state of mind. Terrifying hypocrisy and selfishness.
Far out, man!
Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa to eurobelle for having called her the "B" word; it was seriously out of line and I beg her forgiveness and that of you other, better-behaved posters to this forum.
I let her anger get to me, and the word slipped out inadvertently; by the time I re-read it and tried to edit it out, I had gone over the time limit. This was actually the first time I'd ever posted in a public forum, and I forgot I was not writing a private email to a friend but a message met to be read by the public.
To the moderator of this forum as well: My sincere apology and assurance that you will never hear or see such an epithet from me again. What I really meant to say, of course, begins with the letter "W", not the letter "B". If you choose to regard it as a type, please do. It was a slip of the mind rather than of the hand. Joking aside, however, if I preach civility to others, I should be practice it myself.
I beg your pardon again, Ms. eurobelle, for the epithet.
i went to woodstock in 1969 and lived to see that reagan was right when he said that our generation had a drug problem -- we so rotted our brains with drugs that we turned around and voted for reagan (i didn't -- i voted for jimmy but cried for john lennon).
If human civilization survives the Bush Administration and the scourge of terrorism, there might be a chance to start over at the community level, farming and manufacturing for family and neighbors - very big IF.
One great thing about this long discussion is the pleasant feeling it gives me about not being so alone. I graduated from high school in 1961 but never really got out of high school. I'm glad you all are here on the planet with me and talking hopeful talk. I don't feel so much like the Ancient Mariner.
Don't ever let them take away your yes or your no.
Shantih-om, my electronic friends.
Thank you all for a wonderful thread. Contrary to the old joke about "If you can remember the sixties, you weren't there", I can and I was. Reading the postings from you were also there made so happy to feel connected again I began taking notes, just overflowing with things I wanted to say until...
The European Beauty ("eurobelle") entered, spewing vitriol. Why on earth did anyone bother trying to explain anything to this virulently unpleasant woman? Her self-congratulatory, self-righteous tone made me physically sick -- unfortunately, I found her anger contagious. Every time I read a remark from someone reminiscing about those years, she had to pick up her poison pen and ruin the thread. The conceit of this woman(I speak seven languages but can't be bothered to write a coherent sentence in English because I have no respect for you) calling herself "eurobelle" indeed!
She may even be a beauty, but she reminds me of nothing so much as the the girl in the story "The Girl Who Trod on a Loaf", who was cursed for her vanity and lack of charity so that every time she spoke, frogs, spiders and toads come out of her mouth, thus detracting from her "beauty."
I found the extreme and unrelenting nature of her anger really frightening: like a loose cannon with a screw loose. I also find it ironic that we, like good liberals, gently explain our history and point of view rather than responding to all that malice with an equally vicious remark.
She reminds me of Ann Coulter (the "worn-out genitals" quip was pure Coulter), another extremist bitch who was given far too much media attention (which was how she made her money, after all.) Remember her line about 9/11 widows getting rich off their husbands' deaths?
Forget "eurobelle"! Enough time has been spent fanning the flames of this horrible woman's rage. She's not going to listen. She's not interested in anything we have to say.
Stop giving her what she wants (and so will I.)
Peace, love and "good vibes" are still more powerful than spite, even now.
Hi Mark Morford,
Thanks for inspiring the discussion "The Hippies are right", from The San Franscisco Chronicle and Common Dreams (where I read and contribute to the stream). This period has a profound effect on me and from the discussion on a whole generation. I hope we can learn to refine the gifts we are given. Personally Hohandas Gandhi, Joan Baez, Cezar Chavez, Martin-Luther King, local comrades and a whole river of Satyagraha (Truth-force) living and action has transformed my life. As I go deeper into the movement, I live and work with First Nations and the Great Law of Peace and the Medicine Wheel uniting economic livelihood practices. We have come to Turtle Island to learn important truths, which have been violently erased from our youth, our day-to-day and our memory as have our indigenous traditions from Celtic Europe.
Here in Tiohtiake (greater Montreal region) I am involved in a group called the Sustainable Development Association SDA in Green Design, Eco-Montreal Tiohtiake Green Mapping www.eco-montreal.mcgill.ca Tsi Tetsionitiotiakon Sustainability Rooted in Heritage http://cbed.geog.mcgill.ca/WIP.html and Extending our Welcome Connective Housing http://dwell.ecube.info See also the Green Map System www.greenmap.org While we are reaching for our environmental and social 'objectives', we are as well culturing economic 'Subjectives' in our concern and processes for the wellbeing and livelihood of each of us and our communities. Using the traditions of First Nation Production Societies and String-shell, we invite individuals to become involved in our developing economies. We are developing a Catalogue of Human Resources, a Community Time-Bank, a community system of investment and exchange and now seven cohousing sites, under various stages of development. We are concerned with inclusive means to reach our goals.
We are developing a non-profit incorporation model based on accounting for the Progressive Ownership of four multiple stakeholder contribution styles as Founders, Workers, Suppliers and Consumers. We have developed a food production model based on the indigenous multiple level Orchard.
Douglas Jack, eco-montreal@mcgill.ca
We were right on and still are. Watch thwe back sliding. Look for the real thing.
I've lived through 11 different presidents but somehow hung around my college campus long enough to be involved in the late 60's hippie movement. It was a wonderful ride with every new day being and experiment in becoming. Naturally I did the psychedelic drug thing; I was mature, could handle it and learned from it. I/we got into nature, natural health and vegetarianism, yoga, eastern spiritual discovery, environmental concerns and humane politics, etc. Most of these things are still with me today.
Why were (and still are) so many people so upset with the "hippies?" Well that was the whole point …. to challenge the establishment, to stand it on it's head, to get society to look in the mirror - a first step in self realization. I guess it was the sex, drugs, dress, and rock & roll thing. Many critics never looked deeper, which was a superficial assessment of a much deeper and profound movement. I would liken this to the fact that some religious fundamentalists can never get beyond the sex thing. There so obsessed with it that they never evolve to the next level. Their constantly cleaning the cup, so much so that the cup never gets filled. I fact they don't even know what the cup is for.
The neocons and other radical right types (think young republicans karl Rove types) never could let go of their repugnance to the hippy movement. The hippies became their scapegoat for most of the ills of society, with everything from the loss of the Viet Nam war to welfare queens.
The important thing to remember that this was a world wide generational phenomenon. The chinese cultural revolution was simultaneously happening with it's own attack on the 'establishment' (often in a more radical and severe manor then the U.S. version) and it had nothing to do with sex, drugs, or rock and roll.
I'm not of the hippie generation, but I enjoyed a lot of the music and the feeling from that generation. Especially exciting to me was the break from traditional religion in the US and people branching out and finding their own subjective truths. As far as drugs, there were definitely casualties, but there was also many people that came to a more experiential understanding of their own spirit through that path. I'm from the edge of generation X and Y and I feel that many of the people that I've come in contact with have absorbed a lot of the more positive aspects of hippiedom. I live in Portland, OR and work in the environmental community and most of the people that I've met a deeply held feeling that we are living in a time of incredible fear, but also a time of incredible hope. We can overcome the walls that seem impossible to climb, and we can do it by treating our brothers and sisters with respect and love, but also recognizing what our enemies are. Multi-national corporations have become independent beings because we've granted them the rights of personhood, without the responsibilities of such. Many people feed those corporations with their blood, sweat and tears, by working for them or by being exploited for short term profit. We are powerful only when we stand together and speak with one voice. We cannot stand by and allow our world to succumb to the inherent greed of our own creations. A world based on greed, which is really fear of want, only serves to feed the machinations of war and exploitation. There is really no good and evil, there is only the fruits of fear and the fruits of love. Love can conquer fear if we feed it to each person we meet. Love can truly solve our problems. We stand on the precipice of the most gigantic problem in human history so far, (Global Warming) and we're being asked to prove ourselves, to fight for what we all depend on, (Our planet) which will teach all of humanity humility and also fasten the bonds for the true globalization of humanity and in the process project us into a new phase of our evolution. I don't care if people agree w/ me. But at least promise not to give in to fear.
Thanks everyone this has been a great read! I am glad so many have posted it has been a joy to down memory lane with intelligent people it makes me think of the song "Stay right here, for these are the good old days"! Janis Joplin I think. Thank you all!
as a history teacher i found myself attempting to present a glimpse of the counterculture to my 11th grade history class and three of my colleagues this week. i could only address the topic for a few minutes.
i spoke of personal experiences: being in the service; hitchiking across america; living on a commune; and searching for meaning.
i tried to speak of what the generation was experiencing. i spoke of the turmoil of the times including civil rights and the vietnam war. i spoke of the generation's search for meaning, its angst, and how people detached from mainstream culture. i spoke of the interest and perils of hedonism.
i used the transition of the beatles to explain things. I played excerpts from "i want to hold your hand" and she loves you" to show that in spite of the moptops, the beatles were mainstream. then i pointed out how the beatles were influenced by eastern philosophy and drugs. i played excerpts from "eleanor rigby" and "she's leaving home" to show how their lyrics changed andtold the the students that this had a profound impact on my young people and on the direction of music.
i also played an excerpt from "san francisco (wear some flowers in your hair)" i drew their attention to the lyrics "a whole generation looking for a new explanation, people in motion" to try to get them to understand their was a search for values.
the presentation was well received. the students were very interested. of course, i wanted to go on. but time was limited. i did offer them a prediction. the near future offers a new set of social, political, and enviornmental problems that will bring about a new search for meaning that will cause young people to look beyond mainstream to find meaning.
jthebear@yahoo.com
Glad this is the most forwarded article, so we can stay on this awesome thread for a while longer.
Hippies carried the cross for the world and were persecuted and crucified by the money-power starting with Hoover to the present. I was in the VA hospital in the sixties with a spinal cord injury and worse than the pain was the loss of McGovern to Nixon. It's been about forty years of downers since. About time the pendulum swings back.
Demonstrations don't do much good anymore since the "chaos brings opportunity" conservanazi MSM won't cover them. Some hippie wannabees joined religious cults after a frightening case of the clap. Religion after all, was also invented to frighten people into not having sex. Others thought it was a passing fad and that now the way to get laid was to have the most consumer goods as a substitute for their sexual inadequacies. The more materialism, the more stuff to conserve and the more conservative they became. Like Freud said, it all comes down to sex. Ironically greedy conservatives are inconsiderate, self absorbed egotists who make lousy sex partners.
When money was invented around the time of the Sumerians, empires and mass warfare began. Hippies as sensitive, intelligent humanists were aware of money's characteristic depredations and reacted by burning dollars in demonstrations. Others like Yippie Jerry Rubin who became a stockbroker thought that the way to fight the power was to have as much or more money, conveniently(?) forgetting that money is power, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Money-power's attraction turned some hippie imitators into their conservative antagonists, much as has happened to holocaust victims with their relation to Palestinians.
Hippies were successful in challenging and frightening the money-power. All the resources of the oligarchy were concentrated into destroying the movement. MLK, RFK, Black Panthers, the feminist movement and others were destroyed and substituted by a War of Drugs, enabling conservatives to jail liberals. The conservative, sexually abusing, male domineering and violent Manson Family cult was made an example of liberal hippiedom though it was its exact opposite.
But us old hippies who have always sought alternatives are coming together on this thread and on this site. I hope we will come together in our hippie party, the Greens, and fight the money-power with grassroots democracy instead of trying to match them dollar for dollar and becoming THEM.
I grew up on a college campus in the 60s, and attended rallies as a little kid. I'm much better for it. I have been an environmentalist since 3rd grade, and the values that were demonstrated for me as a child - the tail end of the 'baby boom' generation - stayed with me for life.
The marchers may have lost their innocence... and I suppose I did too, because by the time Eisenhower died (after both Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy had been killed,) I asked my mother 'who shot him?' Those were wild times. But those of us who watched our parents stand up to injustice learned a lot. Martin Luther King once said "ultimately, an individual must stand up and be counted." That is as true today as it was in the 60s. Its time.
There are plenty of us who grew up either with or under the influence of the 'peace and love' generation, and we aren't done speaking with our own authentic voices yet. Most of us have barely gotten started, because we're so busy trying to make ends meet. When the situation gets dire enough (when enough people start dropping dead from tainted food, or we get another Katrina and our government goes AWOL again) people will finally get fed up. REALLY fed up. Fed up enough to get in the street, en mass.
Every generation has its test. For the 'greatest generation' it was WWII. The hippies had Vietnam and Civil Rights. Our test is rampant corporate greed, climate change and endless wars for oil and global military power. If we don't do what the hippies did: get OUT THERE and be seen by those in power, we will lose. There are far too few people speaking out. Oh they may be angry - the polls indicate that just about everyone is angry - but nothing says 'fed up' like a body in the street with a sign.
That said, we have the internet... and we're using it. Perhaps this is how the 21st century marches. After all, its a lot greener (no long, gas-guzzling bus rides.)
This is our challenge, to either rise and meet -- or lose. Its not an easy test, but we have to do this. Its do or die. Climate change isn't going to wait around for us to get serious about cutting carbon. While we screw around in Iraq, the storms are getting stronger and stronger, crops are failing and the seas are rising.
An interesting thread, except for eurobelle's well-meaning, but dischordant vibes. Eurobelle seems to be against hippie ideals because the hippie movement failed to cure all of society's ills (slave wages & health care woes) and recently allowed the fascists to takeover the country. And although it is true that many fake-hippies became businessmen and women, there are many who never sold out. That is beside the point.
Should eurobelle herself be judged in a like manner?
Look in the mirror, Eurobelle, have you solved all of the problems around you? Are you, therefore, a hypocrite when you spend your money on yourself or take a break from fighting for social justice in the workplace?
I will not judge you based on what you have not accomplished. Only you can judge yourself; are you making a good-faith effort to make a positive difference in the world? That's good enough for me.
What have you done to stop slave wages and make health care universal? What can we socially-conscious folks who visit commondreams do to help you? Give us advice and we'll do what we can do to help you stop injustices in the workplace. But please don't call us psychobabblers.
"it's better to light one candle than to curse the darkness"
This means, "if you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem."
I believe the hippies helped change America for the better and perhaps eurobelle will do the same. We can't lose patience while fighting the good fight just because every evil in America has not yet been defeated. Patience is a must.
The hippy movement was only round one! Ding Ding Ding! Let round two commence! We are on your side eurobelle!
If you want to talk about helping poor people:
I lived in a tiny African village with no running water for a couple of years. By comparison, 45 million Americans with no health care is luxurious living when compared with 900 million Africans who live with one foot in the grave and the other foot on a banana peel!
If you are a diehard socialist or communist or capitalist: every major political system on earth is materialistic and self-centered. If they really cared about helping people, by now they would have helped the Africans.
Humanity and our earth need for us to be humble. We are one family; even our crazy neocon brothers. We can only resist our neocon brothers in a Ghandian manner. We may even need to put some of them in prison.
At least the hippies were a humble group. Perhaps if the hippies were in power today, they would do something to help Africa? Maybe after round two we will find out?
For the most part, however, the hippies were part of the solution: peace, tolerance, love, environmentalism, social justice, fair wages, and women's rights. These "self-congratulatory" hippies sharing a few comments on this thread deserve a little love and congratualtions. At least they didn't give in to the materialism of humanity's wayward culture.
The few remaining hippies are not hypocrites; they may be our hope. And their children may lead round two!
And even for the ex-hippies who sold-out, maybe when they share the ideals in these happy threads about what once was or could be possible: round two? Maybe a new movement could catch a spark? Why should we oppose it?
Judge not lest ye should be judged.
Let's encourage one another in the fight for justice. Don't you see that they want us to waste our strength fighting eachother?
What if they had a war and nobody showed up? (I forget who said that)
What if we made it a war crime to profit in any way from a war? The conservatives would become the biggest peaceniks on the planet! Ha!
Don't lose hope.
Peace
Andrew
brilliant article!!!! time people woke up!!!
the entire swing to the far right of the last several decades was/is largely in response to the hippie movement, which clearly threatened them to death (OMG, living and loving and maybe having fun, too? TOO scary)
they had/have the guns and the power and are willing to use them in defense of their "values;" unfortunately, in general, liberals don't know how to shoot anything, with the possible exception of themselves in the foot
i think we each need to look to our own hearts and minds and stop blaming others for whatever situation we find ourselves in, especially other generations
at the very least, my generation planted healthy and beneficial seeds of social and political subversion, what comes of those seeds isn't entirely or only up to us
The essence of the neocons, acting in the long shadow of Nixon's ghost, the thing that no one with a corn college journalism degree and weekly tithe from a respectable publisher will bite into, is that the whole Bush/Rove/Cheney PNAC Empire is not only a futile attempt to reclaim Tricky Dick's sullen Republican honor, but a deliberate if unconscious bid to counter the counter culture which changed America so totally under Nixon's reign, right under the Thief of San Clemente's ski-slope nose. Not only to counter it, but to drag it under the police lock-up bus of Furious Fascism with cruel snickering hired thugs in mirror shades brutally torturing the already beaten prisoners until they confess:
"Yes, it was all me -- the dirty hippie with the drugs and sexual revolution that wouldn't let you in the door, that mocked and ridiculed you endlessly -- yes, it was me that screwed up your entire white-ass conservative world!"
The Fever Dream in Technicolor: To drag it all the way back to the Beast of Bergen-Belsen, the Showers of Dachau, the Ovens of Auschwitz; let them writhe in slow-roasted agony over the burning pit of neocon inadequacies and resentments -- just because they were the painfully lonely Young Republican drip in a rep tie and Haggar slacks in the college dorm or didn't bed the high school princess they lusted after because she was drooling over some fairy-haired guitar player. Revenge is a dish best served NOW -- and Forever!
They know none of it's true -- they were twisted twerps at a young age, long before high school, college or Hippiedom, and too weak to change -- and they know that none of it will replace the missing components of their bloated pissy personalities and they'll still have nightmares in bloody murder of knives deep between their shoulder blades and begging for coins in the street and domination by women slicked out in tight vinyl or their asses split wide open by Long Dong Silver while they'll still have to face wife Betty Biblebelt when they awake in the morning with the unopened box of Viagra on the bed table, but that's how crazy they are: We'll torture and kill you anyway, just to make a buck, just to screw with all that's sane, just to try and change their miserable reality to one where they are strong and bold and potent and competent and important to themselves, just to hack off God Almighty.
The Liberals, Beats and Hippies were right about America -- the anti-democratic, intolerant corporate agenda and the resultant descent into angry and dissatisified materialism it peddles and the hate it engenders -- and the Yapping Yuppies, Paycheck Pundits and Nefarious Neocons hate themselves for it, so, of course, they desperately have to try and rewrite history to eliminate the evidence of their mistakes, and lie shamelessly to cover up their incompetence, and giggle and shriek at the 'dirty freaks' and their silly ideas of peace and tolerance, all so that they can live up to the laughable term 'the right.'
It's never worked in the past and isn't now, which is why they're boiling mad and vengeful as they lose it all.
Eurobell is right. Look at the US today. It's worse than it was when we were out there protesting. Corporatization is nearly complete and the American Imperialistic economic system is decimating the world. Yeah, we did some thinking and singing and experimenting but then we cut our hair and joined the establishment because for most, being a hippy was just a fad.
But in all fairness to my generation, Boomers can be loosely divided into two groups: the "Leave it to Beaver" group and the "Brady Bunch" group. This represents the leading and trailing edge of the postwar "population explosion." It's really the difference between the 50 and 60 somethings and the 40 somethings. The older had more of the hippy community values that are pro-social and eco-friendly and while the latter group is the "me" generation that morphed into Yuppies, became MBA's, bought Beemers, ate brie and recently drove the McMansion real estate bubble. Truth is that, of that generation, the number of people who really held hippie values was quite small. For the rest is was (and still is) just fashion, like a veggie-oil Hummer.
After the Vietnam war, the hippie movement simply died. Corporate America changed the educational programming and kids quit thinking for themselves. You might say the movement started with the Beatle's "I Want to Hold Your Hand" and ended with Madonna's "Material Girl."
So Eurogirl's righteous indignation is well deserved. All the X and Y and the dieoff generation should criticize our generation. Yeah, maybe we were right but we didn't follow through.
Yes I agree that we need dennis Kucinich and one very important thing to do is for every one who writes here to call their congressman and to state that you are in favor of HR 333 which is the Impeachment of Dick Cheney. Express you values of decency- Cheney must be impeached to show others that we have better values, regardless of party, this is beyong party politics. I say you have no business typing in any comments unless you have done your duty and called the capitol switch board at 202-225-3121 and told them you support this action. I spoke with 10 college students and only 3 of them had heard about any Impeachment proceedings.
as someone who has lived through that era I have
to admit it was simply an extremely idealistic immature period full of drugs, and loud music that corporations (such as the music industry) capitalized on (I always hated the term hippie-it was devised by some big
magazine and newspaper conglomerate just trying to make a buck).
Some good ideas came out of that era but they were few and far between, along with the realization that if you cause too much of a revolution and rock the boat too much, the powers that be will kill your leaders--and they
did-(don't let people know you exist and change the world slowly).
Finally the realization comes about that pollution, over population, and global warming are big issues, probably the largest issues we have ever faced. Problem is eco-living is expensive, for it to truly work it has to
be taken down to a level where the middle and lower class (99.9% of this crazy world population) can live at that eco-level---currently they cannot.
I was listening to an article on NPR today about this rich individual that was living an eco-friendly existence and all I could think about is well that is just great, but take away all the fine wine and expensive paintings
and see how far this eco-friendly existence will take someone. If you want it to work find a way to mass produce it.--and they will come--and another 13 soldiers die in Iraq--where is the moral outrage now?
Final note to Eurobelle,
I have been watching the return of the first genocide of the 20th century. I have been battling to awaken people, not with a gun, but with a voice and a keyboard. I have offered my services to translate an important book, for which I probably won't see any money. I speak out where I can, and write where I can. I'm no "spokesperson" for any point of view, just a computer programmer (learned it on the job, not in school).
I have no more time for this interchange. Time is swiftly running out for the people of Alqosh, Bakhdeda, Tel Esqof, Dora, Karamles... I can do little about that except attempt to awaken people to the reality. If I have prompted you to ask who are these people, I have perhaps accomplished a little.
Be Well and goodbye
Bob Griffin
Hold a mirror up to yourself!
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Another psycho psychobabbling?
Thanks everyone for your inspiring words! They bring tears to my eyes...the memories flood. May your wisdom and peace saturate the consciousness of our weary world.
Great to have heard the old voices of the many kindred spirits here!
Again - Keep on Thinking Free!
Maat, Best Wishes and Hope
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk1vEuhBuEU
LeeAnnG May 2nd, 2007 1:17 pm-
Poet's remark sadly struck me it the same fashion. To be compared with the snow-nose juicers of Bush Inc. and Hilter, was a blow below the belt.
BaltoCaveMan May 2nd, 2007 6:11 pm
Yes! Among others, the Moody Blues were THE muzik philosophers. Don't make em or think like they used to:
Face piles
And piles
Of trials
With smiles.
It riles them to believe
that you perceive
the web they weave
And keep on thinking free.
Maat, Best Wishes and Hope
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk1vEuhBuEU
hydri,
Go and reread your post and decide whether the meek want/get the power or not. I remember "the meek etc. ..." I just don't believe. There many things in this text I don't believe. I am not a US attorney.
You don't understand what I am saying, and your aggression won't change this fact.
Ok. I'll explain. Imagine someone invades your village with children, women etc. The question: where are the able bodies men? Well ... Imagine what happens next.
Good night. I am not returning to this topic.
"Folks keep pointing to Woodstock as the important event in hippie culture. I remember, as a heavy-duty hippie back then, that I believed the festival was a rip off by hip capitalists of our alternative culture. The gate crashers took the event away from the people I believed were trying to co-opt our culture."
Yeah, wasn't it just a big money-making thing that backfired? People forget about that. Then the same two guys tried it again in 1994 and 1999.
eurobelle, don't you see that most of those involved in the changes which occurred during the 60's were not interested in power. People such as Dick Cheney, who had "other priorities", were hard at work making sure the unwashed masses could never make their dreams reality. Hippies and peaceful people don't care about controlling other's thoughts and actions. As a result, they never can or will making any major changes immediately. It's the people who hate, the corporations that want to make money – those are the people who have been in power for centuries, and they are the ones who rule society. Hippies didn't and don't want to control anyone. It was about freedom! If you want to blame slave wages on the Hippies, feel free to, but I myself would have to look elsewhere for whom to blame.
By the way, I really do speak four languages: English, Spanish, Mandarin, and Vietnamese. Maybe eleven languages have diminished your ability to take a step back and see the whole picture.
Remember, "The meek shall inherit the Earth." After having seen a good part of the world, I believe this to be true. What kind of person would you prefer to be: an authoritarian figure or somebody who wants to work together with others and share in the joys and sufferings which make up life?
Bob,
I have no patience for those who, now, when many people don't have insurance, many lost jobs, many are exploited and work 70 hours a week at the expense of their health, family, community, country and increasingly the world, tell them that "all they need is love." Something tells me that most of these people are doing quite well in this ruthless environment, and more often that not at the expense of others.
I spent more time today than I should have, and I had it.
Continue talking about love or whatever hypocrisy will take
you to. Without me.
Eurobelle:
You seem to be concerned with the question of why there is still evil on Earth.
To thicken the plot. Dumbass...
Eurobelle,
On 'Love': you have a very good point. Love is a motivation, or it can be just a very pleasant feeling. If one's love for a child or spouse is only a pleasant feeling, then simply wait and the abusive violence and/or divorce will come. If on the other hand love is a motivation, which may have emotional aspects, then actions flow from it.
Although the word is frequently abused, the following quote has guided my understanding of love:
Love is patient and kind. It is neither jealous nor boastful. It is not rude, nor self-seeking, irritable or resentful. It takes no pleasure in injustice, but rejoices in the truth. It bears up and endures whatever comes up, and chooses to trust and to hope.
This is an attitude, and not really a feeling. It's also not an easy attitude to hold, but if I truly love my fellow humans (or, expanding it, my fellow creatures), then it becomes a motive to work for peace and justice for all. It's easy to focus on the feeling, to spiritualize it, and to feel good about ourselves because "we love everything" (or something like that). It's a good deal harder to adopt the attitude, wrestle with failure to love (both our failures and those of others), pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and return to loving, to being motivated to DO SOMETHING.
Your critique of the Evangelicals and others who talk, talk, and talk again about love is important. If love is not a motive to work for peace, justice, survival, humanity... then what in the world is it good for?
Be Well,
Bob Griffin
PS A friend has the following saying:
A Candle or Two
For an Hour or Two
For World Peace
(and I would add 'and justice')
It's encouraging that this thread has lasted more than a day.
To those who emphasize that some hippies sold out to a materialistic lifestyle-true-but any who'd like to go in the other direction and include smoking weed face imprisonment in most of the US.This repression including unfair suppression of unions is in no way the fault of hippiedom.
Born2BWild,
If possible, go within while acting in the world. There are a number of spiritual paths which permit (and aid) this. The Buddha did this. Mahavira did this. Zoroaster did this. Look at Thomas Merton, Mother Theresa, Martin Buber, Ahad haAm...
Spiritual practices, whether some form of meditation or something else, are not intended as simply some retreat from the world (with some clear exceptions). The practices are intended to enable us to work in the world, with all its imperfections, without being thoroughly drained and debilitated.
Practice and be in a spiritually and politically (and ecologically) active community, if possible. We are herd or pack animals, and few of us thrive outside of community. Expect perfection of no one and nothing, but strive for excellence as much as possible. Be aware that there are those who would co-opt your work and your energy, but don't let them suck you dry. If you're in a healthy community, you should be able to rely on each other to survive.
Ooops! I'm gonna get splinters from this pulpit, so...
Be Well/Ayubovan/Suki Hotu,
Bob Griffin
I just loved all these comments and so many comments came floating back to me:
A memory came back to me: sitting around a picnic table at the California Big Sur and painting abstracts on postcards and I kept mine for years. We were chewing each bite for 20 times and we went to the beach nude and enjoyed feeling like animals and felt united with the whales and the sea waves. It was nice also to know you could always get a job any day of the week and we studied how to make a difference organizing community was a big discussion topic. We read the Whole Earth catalogue and studied the Stout Realestate market and bought handimans dream old farm houses while writing for the war resisters newspaper- I am only sorry that we did not seem to unite with our older generation of parents and got away from them too much.
Thanks for having this great discussion....
Eurobelle,
I apologize for this post, which will probably add to your irritation.
During the 1970s the religious right started adopting techniques used by the Communists to attain power. I was attending a fundamentalist church at the time (and was there up through the late 1980s) so I was able to witness much of this at first hand. There was no attempt to understand the hippies, the liberals, or the needs of the disadvantaged; rather small groups (mostly of housewives) were informed that they were the vanguard in a cultural war to return America to its Christian roots. This movement, together with the growing selfishness of the younger generation of the late 1970s and the nationalist reaction to the return of the Panama Canal to Panama, the fall of Iran to hard-line fundamentalist anti-American Shi'ites, and the capture of a number of Americans in the the embassy in Teheran, accompanied by a growing cynicism among young progressives, led to Reagan's victory in 2000. Reagan and the religious right used their national platform to dismantle much which had been accomplished over the prior couple decades, and the American media celebrated greed with movies like "The Secret of My Succe$s". Twelve years of Republican policy, twelve years of growth in corporate power, left the progressives swamped by anti-progressive (and anti-hippie) lies. When Clinton tried to bring in universal health care, the lies and attacks were amazing. Unfortunately many Americans, my mother among them, continue to believe those lies.
The big lie which defeated the progressive movement was that it made no difference who was president. In buying into that lie, the progressives, peaceniks, anti-nukers, and neo-hippies handed victory over to Ronald Reagan and the Religious Right. Fundamentalists who would have been ashamed of Jerry Fallwell months before started taking pride in him. Also, during the 1980s the slow loss of alternative media, or even corporate owned middle-of-the-road and left-wing media, grew to noticeable proportions. Without any mainstream media to present a progressive view, the "conservatives" possessed the battle-field of ideas.
Given this situation, the problems you point out (and I agree!) were nearly unaddressable in American dialog. The Religious Right has wanted for over 30 years to turn the Kennedy presidency and the Hippie Movement into a fading nightmare. Their success grows with the loss of each independent media outlet, and with each American who would rather vote on American Idol than on the American government.
The hippies mostly had no idea this was going on. Only the most conspiracy minded had more than the faintest idea, and it is very hard to pin a conspiracy on suburban middle-class housewives, who in many ways served as the 'shock troops' in the culture war.
My adult son has no health care. During the 1980s and most of the 1990s I had no health care myself. During the 1980s we invaded Grenada and Panama, causing a great deal of death in Panama. Livable wages among blue collar workers have (nearly?) disappeared. Housing and fuel prices, in many parts of the country, are crippling to the average wage-earner. Low paid workers are quite often treated as if they are not even worth the money they are "given". Education has been gutted, with few public schools offering any classes on art or music.
The hippies have been shouted down and completely re-interpreted (or misinterpreted) for the sake of the corporations and the American Right (religious and otherwise). Their values were driven out of American politics during the early Reagan years, and much of what they accomplished has been under attack at least since 1980. They are not the reason for the list of ills I have just cited.
There are indeed a number of "ex-hippies" who joined what was to become the neo-conservative movement. Most of those, I believe, were non-contributors during the 1960s, eager for as much free food, drugs, and sex as they could get, and not really interested in the philosophy or values. Also
few if any of them would pay much attention to Common Dreams.
Be Well, (and keep fighting for justice for the worker [thanks for that!])
Bob Griffin
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what indeed would it be like to have the world's most powerful nation be one that also looked to do the greatest good? that is to say, people not just concerned for their own well being, but for less fortunate in their own society as well as the neediest countries. you're looking at spending every waking hour in full-on hands-on activism. but what happens in actuality? co-optation,
burn-out, the need to go within to cultivate the love and peace you wish to spread throughout the world. and a bit of guilt for doing that. but eventually that's what most of us have to do to keep on. the well may dry up sometimes, but the spring is still there waiting to be tapped. go easy, lighten up a bit. enjoy the flowers, and then kick some ass.
You know, Bob,
I really find is irritating.
I don't need need your experience, the reality is sufficient:
NO HEALTH CARE
SLAVERY IN THE WORKPLACE
INVASIONS
etc.
Eurobelle,
The anger and cynicism may be a reflection of your experience, but don't match mine. Most of those whose values more or less were coherent with those of the Hippie Movement, at least those I have met and worked with, continue to work for dignity to all in the workplace, and freedom for all from wage slavery. They are not all agreed about how to do so, but those values go back to the Flower Children and the Beats before them.
I was somewhat a latecomer to the values, having embraced suburban values as a young teenager, and only a decade later realizing that the core values which the peaceniks and hippies shared were coherent with my personal values. On the other hand, I watched many of the following generation(s) adopt a me-first, materialistic values system.
There were books published in the late '70s and early '80s examining the strengths and weaknesses of various communal movements over the preceding century, from Oneida and the Hutterites through the communes of the '60s and '70s.
As to languages--it is true that learning a new language is a broadening experience. The Cherokee state that those who learn Cherokee will find it radically influences their understanding of the world. However I don't think polyglot pride is very becoming. I maintain some degree of semi-fluency in a number of languages myself, and am currently working on Eastern Armenian and Modern Assyrian, so I'm not writing from some disdain for language-learning.
Still, your English, I must admit, is far more fluent that my French, Spanish..., or at least so it seems.
Of note, to you and perhaps to others: When I checked the political leanings of my peers and my predecessors at my high school, I found most of the earlier graduates to still have relatively liberal values. Most of my peers (graduating class of 1972) tended towards conservatism or issue-oriented positions, as did I while in high school. Unlike my classmates, I moved left-wards over the years and decades. The older students seem to have maintained their values.
Be Well/Ayubovan/Suki Hotu,
Bob Griffin
Boy, the world is grateful.
Nothing is better that self-promotion.
As a former hippie I humbly accept Mr Morford's, as well as a grateful world's, thanks for being part of the solution.
But since I was there, and unlike Hopper remember it fairly well (with a few missing pages), I must remind people that what started as a naive movement soon lost its innocence.
Thanks a lot, Charlie.
bob
"if you're in a healthy community"........
it's nice to be surrounded by like-minded folk, who add to the many beautiful petals of this flower of life. but the essence of our real work is personal/spiritual and cannot lean too heavily on others. it's all about the quality of consciousness, to be sure, and we most definitely help each other in this. but growth and transformation should not be impeded in any way, which happens in some cases because we latch onto others for support, only to find ourselves resisting the "straitjacket" of expectation and assumptions others try to impose. real freedom - both as an ultimate destination and as the journey itself - is not the result of any formula. as one teacher has said, there is no remedy. surrender to higher power helps, however.
annemarie
"it was the worst of times for many, many millions of others :(
Even worse, it has been the worst of times for many many more millions since that time. You just haven't noticed those who have died from cancer in the street. Continue chanting.
"But how about sharing some of your more constructive nature too?"
I am very bright in general, but patience is not one of my strengths.
If you think that pushing Orwellian garbage "Peace, love etc."
is constructive, but pointing out that the time spent on chanting "Peace, love etc." could have been better spent by introducing universal health care and strengthening the unions, is not constructive, I have nothing to say to you.
To Douglas Jack
My heart skipped a small beat when I read your response to my short post.I take this site seriously.That was my attempt at humor regarding our inarticulate sadistic "leader".Your posts were inspirational.
The Grateful Dead and the community that travelled with them had many similarities to indigenous cultures-that's why they were so vilified. Anything that slows down the pace of superheated consumption is a threat.
I'm a 65 year old grandfather trying to hold on to slim hopes that we can quickly turn to a non-imperialist nation-else my 9 year old grandson-and all others of his generation-will be dying and killing all over what's left of our world.
To Eurobelle; You're very bright 7 languages?-I'm mediocre in one. But how about sharing some of your more constructive nature too?
p.s.
almost everything good and decent and honest and fun and lasting i ever learned, i learned from hippies
the movement was not confined to berkeley! pulleese. it crossed oceans. it transcended borders and boundaries...
and it was a magical, mystical, wondrous time. i often tell my 23 y/o about it. and i only wish i that somehow, someway he could actually taste, experience, feel it, exactly as I did, even if only for a moment. because my words are inadequate, they do not do it justice.
and i'm not waxing sentimental about this either. i was 13 in '69, all my memories, recall, and more are intact.
the best way i can describe those days is: it was as if i was living inside a magical, safe, loving, creative, liberating "universe".
it was among the best of times for me :) most especially in the sense that the times themselves seemed to offer so much hope and promise for a better world for every one.
it was the worst of times for many, many millions of others :(
"It was, always and forever, about connectedness. It was about how we are all in this together. It was about resisting the status quo and fighting tyrannical corporate/political power and it was about opening your consciousness and seeing new possibilities of how we can all live with something resembling actual respect for the planet, for alternative cultures, for each other. You know, all that typical hippie crap no one believes in anymore. Right?"
Yes siree. that is/was/will be precisely what it's all about.
thank u fer reminding the johnny/jane come lately's ;)
right on. right on. write on.........
peace!
Eurobelle, you draw a lot of response with a few words.
Ronald Reagan, (Bless his Heart) was a terrible president, but he was a great communicator, on his desk was a sign that said; I get more done when I let people think it's their idea.
You got people thinking, mostly reminiscing the past, when they get tired and feel burn out they will rest their mind and that's when it comes to you. When you are not trying.
When ALL your senses come back, you can probably sum it in one feeling, that can be written in one paragraph if you eliminate all hate and blame. When all your senses come back it's called consciousness.
The moment you think you are smart-you are not! It keeps you humble if you just remember this. Is it any wonder anybody that steps up to the plate looses it?
May I suggest to everyone burnt out reading all this, looking for hope; go listen to the preachers of hate, but don't hate them; don't blame them. It's their job to convince you that THEY are right. Put your self in their place and say; aahhummm and be at peace with yourself. Listen to their voice closely as it panics. Unwind from all the problems that overwhelm us reading Common Dreams.
The harder you try to sound smart the worse you do!
We have lost the ability to be conscious and I know there are hoards of people that will read this and realize there is nothing we can do until everybody wakes up. They are dreaming of solutions once the right burns out.
All of your senses have to be in gear to be conscious! If you are blaming people or lost in the past or in a rage- you are creating dark matter in your head. Something that's true is true; enough said. Someone trying to convince you otherwise can't look you in the eyes; you have the power! It's a damn good feeling!
eurobelle: if you haven't moved on to Thursday, I wanted to make one more comment. If the hippie movement and its aftermath is characterized by what you call "self-centered psychobabble," you should bear in mind that repression in the US, sexual, religious, intellectual, political, economic, was very strong at the time, and helped feed racial and class oppression. There was a fabric of interwoven repression and oppression, if you will, that many in the 60s began to recognize. The self indulgence, open sexuality, drugs, searching into Eastern spirituality, etc were an integral part of resistance to this nexus. Unfortunately, what could have been the beginnings of a sustained progressive movement was undermined, at least to some extent, by the identity politics that succeeded the larger movement. At the same time, these movements articulated other kinds of oppression besides economic that needed to be addressed.
Resistance movements are shaped by the larger historical and cultural context in which they are embedded. In the US, the resistance that started in the 60s took on an individualist, non political cast that has largely undermined its potential as a transformative social movement.
I don't have anything to contribute to this long nostalgic string of comments. I just want to be counted here with my fellow "old hippies," with whom I share the memory of the last time in human history when we really thought, for a few blissed out years, that a better world was right around the corner, a peaceful world where people stood in awe of the great mysteries, erased the borders and had lots of interracial sex until our grandchildren were all beautiful, gentle, honey-colored people named Chakra Lennon Sapphire Bumblebee. I remember the day the music died and the world, inexplicably, chose to go in another direction. Friggin' fools.
It's all about peace and love. Love makes the world go round!
The truth has set us free, and it will set the rest of the nation/world free too.
We must get that good old hippie Dennis Kucinich into the white house!
http://kucinich.us/
jp,
I am approached all the time by some evangelicals who talk about love (they know better than I), here a number of people
talk about love (they know better than I, or ... are paid).
Destroying the world, destroying people and talk, talk, talk about love at this moment is IMHO indecent.
This country needs reforms and new civilized institutions, not their love and not their old, non-functioning genitals.
:)
To be is to do.
one of the main reasons for the emergence of hippies is this very notion of a cataclysmic
disconnect between the ultimately self-indulgent (and self-destructive) state, and those beings for whom this model was not just wrong, but immoral and unjust and who simply wished to renounce any allegiance to it. of course, you could do what many did and leave (love it or leave it). but you could also begin building in your own way an alternative - and yes that narative could also be viewed through the same prism of self-indulgence. anything can. but it diminishes the sheer audacity of free spirits in the face of a murderous rapacious monster of a society to say they are simply self-serving. when you want to grow your own veggies, you spend time digging the weeds
so they don't choke the little seedlings you wish to see survive. each one is special. if that's indulgent, so be it.
I don't want to be a Hippie anymore, I AM an old Hippie!
It's gone it's past!
We need to look for what we have in common NOW! We need a new movement yet unnamed, and for that matter don't name it, because it will become a target with an anti-slogan like "sex drugs and rock and roll" marketed at it.
We have God in common. Who is God? Good Question, I think it's this Gaia, Eurobell is referring to. It's also known as the Great Spirit.
I see God as everything our every sense can touch, and we are given this Earth to realize this. God is in thought and choices, God is not a he or she or it; God is as real as OUR most comprehensive epiphany. We must seek the TRUTH!
Religions have tried to put this into a formula or a book; it can't be done! The Earth is the messenger and life is the teacher. This is why the Earth is irrelevant to people wanting power and control.
Native Americans' never had a written language, they had parables explaining what they saw in nature the sky and the stars… and the space beyond. I have read "The Seven Arrows" three time and never got past the first 20 pages! It keeps inspiring me to see the world refreshed each time.
My dad would throw a ball high in the air, and I asked if it touched the sky. Not Yet.
Finally he said, now it did. I was happy for a short time as I thought about it. But thinking a very holy thought I realized; if it touched the sky, what was on the other side of that? I came to realize that both time and space are endless. Scientists now say that our Universe (big bang) is nothing but a bubble in a sea of bubbles, which explains the color spectrum difference Einstein, taught us.
Eurobelle, we should follow no one! We are all leaders. We now have the Internet so Net Neutrality is under attack.
"eurobelle, this country has always been conservative"
JP, I know that.
I have just trouble digesting this self-centered psychobabble in a progressive forum in a country
-without universal health care
-with slavery in the workplace
-which exports slavery and aggression
on May 1st.
Folks keep pointing to Woodstock as the important event in hippie culture. I remember, as a heavy-duty hippie back then, that I believed the festival was a rip off by hip capitalists of our alternative culture. The gate crashers took the event away from the people I believed were trying to co-opt our culture.
In my opinion, the really great events of the 60's were when we shut down Washington and the Pentagon by gathering in great numbers there and blocking the roads. Too bad we cannot support our troops today by blocking the road to Iraq and keeping them out of the fight between Arabs and Persians.
"Doesn't a viable alternative society need to deal with all aspects of human society including discipline and conflict resolution? I have heard horror stories about commune life.
What is the result of the last generation(s) on our planet and communities?"
ml-2:
I lived communally but did not belong to an intentional commune though I subscribed to their mags. Most communes fragmented and people grew away from them and went their separate ways. Nothing lasts forever. We picked up creative, inventive, social, mechanical, farming, construction, political, organizational and other skills hands on.
The most persistent communes were those with a religious center. There was a news story yesterday that even the Kibbutz in Israel are disappearing. Consumerism coopted them too it seems. But in the end, we all belong to one commune, the community of man (and woman).
Since we are liberal and mostly anarchist, I think that the best way to commune now is through our grassroots Green Party. Its the party of hippie values.
eurobelle, this country has always been conservative, if not marginally fascistic, there has never been an organized left here. Lefties have been persecuted, deported, or just killed outright. Just look at the US labor movement. To add to that, the hippie interlude occured at the height of the Cold War, when anti communist rhetoric was at a fever pitch, and "communist" meant anyone who spoke up for social justice. Perhaps if there had been a sustained leftist tradition in the US as there is in Europe, the period would have been more transformative. The changes that did occur, those that Morford cites, for example, have now become commodified symbols of the shallowness of that change, as well as emblems of the underlying self indulgence that I think you are criticizing.
Still, there are still some of us around who still work for a sea change.