Is "Green" Tom Friedman The New Eco-Orwell of Solartopia?
Not long ago, New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman was America's top op ed cheerleader for George W. Bush's attack on Iraq, portraying it as a "war for democracy."
Now, in a landmark Times Magazine article, he claims naming rights to a "green" movement for nuke power and "clean coal," portraying them as part of the answer to global warming.
This is VERY dangerous stuff.
But before we proceed, this Earth Day we can welcome the fact that major media types like Friedman finally do concede that we have a global climate crisis. The din of Al Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" has corporate big-wigs lining up to be washed green. For that much, we can all be grateful.
There is much that's positive in Friedman's writings about the need for emission-free energy. Most of it derives from countless concerned citizens seeking a Solartopian system based on solar, wind, bio-fuels, efficiency and a truly Earth-based culture.
Friedman never acknowledges them. But tens of thousands of grassroots activists have contributed decades of loving labor, often including jail time (mostly at reactor sites), to give birth to that vision.
Normally, a social movement would welcome the embrace of a New York Times columnist. For a major establishment mouthpiece to start spouting ideas for which so many have marched should be a deeply gratifying accomplishment.
But Friedman's sales pitch also sanctifies nukes and coal. In a single horrifying phrase, he writes in the Times Magazine that "to reach the necessary scale of emissions-free energy will require big clean coal or nuclear power stations, wind farms and solar farms."
Thus, in Tom Friedman's new eco-Orwellian "greenspeak," atomic energy and "clean coal" have become the equivalents of solar and wind power.
This is a suicidal double deception.
"Clean coal" is the ultimate atmospheric oxymoron. Fossil fuel corporations justify it with "carbon sequestration," the idea of pumping CO2 emissions into caverns and other underground storage facilities.
In other words: Yucca Mountain for the coal business. The technology is unproven and the gas is certain, sooner or later, to leak out. Continued coal mining---even with a green veneer---will devastate landscapes, kill miners, cause acid rain and prolong the world's dependence on fossil fuel.
Worse is the proven 50-year failure of nuke power. Atomic reactors are pre-deployed weapons of radioactive mass destruction. Nothing can guarantee their safety from a terror attack.
Fifty years ago the Price-Anderson Act gave federal protection to save reactor owners from paying for a major disaster. No private insurer has stepped into the void, not for the past generation of reactors, nor for the future.
There is also no solution to the waste problem. Yucca Mountain, the multi-billion-dollar alleged storage dump, cannot open for at least two decades. It is capped with perched water, marbled with an earthquake fault and surrounded by (so far) dormant volcanoes like itself. If it opens at all, it will be a casino, in one form or another.
Nukes also spew huge quantities of radioactive radon from the billions of tons of tailings that that sit near uranium mines and mills. That uranium is in increasingly short supply, with prices bound to skyrocket.
The enrichment of reactor fuel creates huge global warming emissions. The nukes themselves pump out direct heat, harming air and water. Radioactive emissions kill billions of fish and other life forms, including humans. Near-misses, as at Ohio's Davis-Besse, which was a bare shred of thin metal away from a catastrophic melt-down, are all too frequent. Sooner or later, by terror or error, we must expect the worst.
Friedman mourns that the melt-down at Three Mile Island caused huge quantities of carbon-emitting coal to be burned for replacement power. But if the $900 million it took to build TMI had been invested in real green energy and efficiency, all those emissions could have been cheaply and safely avoided, then, now and into the future. Take the additional $2 billion required to deal with the seething radioactive mess and we could have had a countryside layered with safe, clean, cheap solar and wind farms.
Friedman never interviews the thousands of central Pennsylvanians who demanded the nuke not be built in the first place. Nor does he mention the 2400 locals who've tried for two decades to get a class action trial on the death and disease caused by the 1979 melt-down's radioactive emissions. To this day, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission does not know how much fallout escaped from TMI, where it went, who it affected or what harm it did.
Friedman instead talks to TMI's newly greenwashed corporate biggies. More nukes would be a great solution to global warming, they say. But they complain that a new reactor could not come on line for, perhaps, fifteen years. And private investment won't do the trick. Government loan guarantees will be required, they moan, because when it comes to energy, the market "doesn't work."
That's an amazing admission for a free market ideologue like Friedman. What he can't face is that the market DOES work for nuclear power, because nobody in their right mind will invest in it without gargantuan subsidies and insurance protection. Only a Bush-style intervention like the one for "democracy" in Iraq will finance new reactor construction.
The real numbers on both existing and new nukes are disastrous. The current generation only looks profitable because the wave of utility deregulation that swept the US a few years ago forced the public to eat the true capital costs.
Back then Friedman yelled that a free market in energy would yield competition and lower prices. But with fake shortages and market manipulations, Enron and its corporate cohorts gouged California and other states for more than $100 billion. Nowhere in the deregulated US is there meaningful competition in electricity. Nor is there an accurate accounting for the true costs of atomic power.
In the 1990s, California's REAL green power movement wanted to install some 600 megawatts of solar, wind and efficiency. That was killed by John Bryson, the "green" chair of Southern California Edison. Bryson then used deregulation to write off the multi-billion-dollar capital costs of four reactors. And then came Enron, to gouge and go bankrupt.
Now Friedman and his fossil/nuke cohorts ask that we repeat the experience in the name of global warming.
We can certainly say "thanks" to him for finally waking up to the climate crisis. But we must also say "no thanks" to fossil fuels and nuclear power.
The Solartopian solution embraces wind, solar, bio-fuels and other truly renewable sources, along with increased efficiency. Wall Street is lining up to invest in these technologies, which have high rates of real return, both financial and ecological.
We've seen the horrific results of Tom Friedman's advocacy of utility deregulation. We've tasted the bitter fruits of his cheerleading for the war in Iraq.
Why would we now buy his fossil/nukes, which are no more green than the climate crisis itself?
Between the lines of Friedman's columns there's a lethal brew of carbon emissions and radioactive crud. Every dime spent on "clean coal" or "safe nukes" will only make things worse.
We're glad so many corporate moguls finally feel compelled to line up at the media greenwash. But there's no need to buy in to their proven failures.
The real solution to climate chaos is the Solartopian Trinity of solar, wind and bio-fuels, with increased efficiency and the return of mass transit. Accept no substitutes.
Harvey Wasserman's SOLARTOPIA! OUR GREEN-POWERED EARTH, A.D. 2030 is at www.solartopia.org.
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35 Comments so far
Show AllMartin137, frank1569 and gjd:
Good reply on the physics, Martin. Now explain how "the so-called greenhouse effect is about the trapping of infrared radiation emitted by the Earth" and not radiation received by earth. And can this "single pass" filter effect be demonstrated in a controlled experiment?
gjd, you wrote "its [CO2] effect is negligible to plants." You make an interesting argument, and I can't counter it. Now explain why the fossil record indicates that warming trends have been followed by bursts in all life activity, not declines.
frank 1569, you sarcastically wrote "So the UN is wrong, 99 percent of the worlds' scientists are wrong, the Pentagon is wrong." Tough to counter, but I'll try. The UN, like our own government, can make enormous mistakes, too. Please consider that they are influenced by their political agenda, just like any other governmental organization. As for the "99 percent," it's not the majority that rules in science, it's repeatable empirical experimentation. Look, most scientists might believe that the first molecular biological cell was formed as a result of nothing more than randomness, totally ignoring the implicate proto-intelligence of the pre-geometries and geometries inherent in the substratum (c.f. physicist David Bohm, "The Implicate Order")...but that does not make them right. Unless we have repeatable controlled experimentation we're talking opinion, not science. 99 percent of Germany's scientists supported the government in 1939...
One more example, 99 percent of US scientists have yet to comment on how structural steel -- tested by Underwriters Laboratories to hold at temperatures far exceeding anything open fire jet fuel can produce and load-tested beyond what the combined effects of gravity and the kinetic energy of a jumbo jet collision can produce on the WTC towers (google "Kevin Ryan WTC") -- can totally, synchronously (on each floor), and consecutively (floor by floor by floor) collapse, leaving pulverized concrete and molten steel several floors below the baseline. This cannot be explained by classical or quantum physics. So why don't the 99 percent comment? Most of them are working for universities or corporations that are federally subsidized. Would you come out and call your boss a liar? You might, if you don't mind losing your job and jeopardizing your career. Again, the issue is science, not opinions, whether those opinions be pushed by the US government or the UN. If Martin can demonstrate the science, then let's stick with that and move on from there.
I'll refrain from commenting on Martin's "ignorant rants" mini-rant ;)
Unlike a fool of Shakespeare's making, Thomas Friedman lacks both wisdom and truth and we can take him for what he is, a fool.
Link relavant to California Solar Initiative (Rick92x)
http://www.sandia.gov/news/resources/releases/2004/renew-energy-batt/Stirling.html
Someone was asking about storing heat from his greenhouse ...
I need 20MWh to heat my house in winter. 30 square meters of solar heating panels will collect that for me and I am hoping to store it deep under the ground and then recover it in winter. Google "Drake landing solar community"
I think its possible that IT and the Internet will educate coming generations worldwide fast enough to make the planet livable before its too late. It's said that education is key to lowering overpopulation humanely before we exhaust the worlds resources, pollute our planet irreversibly and kill off the diversity of life that gives us safe evolutionary alternatives. Meantime, we could make sure that we do not make it harder for future generations to deal with problems like long lived radioactive nuclear waste and other toxics.
"To PDJ who said they "should" put in a public transit system — who should put it in? Who will fund it? The distances between places are so great that only some sort of motorized vehicles could manage it."
By public transit, it mean plain old buses, which for those of you who don't ever get on a bus. they all "kneel" and have wheelchair lifts - as required by the ADA. A ordinary city bus running an average of just 1/3 full gets 200-250 passenger-miles per gallon - widely avaialble hybrid buses get even better. But as jp said, they DO have a transit system, and I'm sure every retirement home has small buses and vans that go to shopping, churches etc....
People need to get over this aversion to using the bus. My parents, live in a assisted-living home and are too old and infirm to drive, but they also refuse to use the facilities' bus service - they are just too "proud" to get on a bus. As a result they are stuck in their apartment, spending their last years with cabin fever in a miserable mood all the time.
As far as funding, there is fairly generous federal funding available under the various TEA acts - especially for smaller communities, and I assume Arizona or the local government isn't broke either.
OuterBeltway
Sorry for the delay in responding, I just saw your question. My knowledge of this area, artificial photosynthesis, is superficial, so I can't comment. There is certainly plenty of activity in this area. The following link might be of interest:
http://www.bnl.gov/bnlweb/pubaf/pr/PR_display.asp?prID=07-31
Whether or not this kind of technology could ultimately work usefully in your greenhouse, I have no idea - depends on scale and capital cost.
Mr BS in physics, can you address this very simple argument?
- Carbon dioxide is a green house gas.
- When light is shone upon a green house gas, it leads to warming in proportion to the concentration of the green house gas.
- The concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has dramatically increased in the last 200 years.
- Therefore, the average global temperature of the planet will increase.
Are there any premises which are false that could lead to a false conclusion? No.
If you put CO2 (carbon dioxide) into a clear plastic bag and shine light upon it, the temperature within that bag will increase more and more as the concentration of CO2 is increased. Therefore both premise 1 and 2 are true. (Don't believe me? - you can do the experiment at home. You can get some dry ice at places like Roberts Oxygen if you're in the mid-atlantic region. I've seen the experiment done - it's really quite straightforward - all you need is a light source, a thermometer, and a bag...)
So, that only leaves in question the third premise. Well, it turns out that's true as well. In a recent journal article published in Science (the most prestigious scientific journal in the world), scientists determined the CO2 concentration from ice cores drilled in the antarctic. They found that the current concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere is the highest that it's ever been in the 650,000 years on record. Here's an exerpt of a summary of their work:
"Levels of CO2 are now 27% percent higher than at any point in the past 650,000 years, according to research into Antarctic ice cores.
The study, which provides more evidence of human interference in the climate system, pushes back our greenhouse gas record by 210,000 years and now encompasses four glacial cycles.
The research was published in the journal Science.
The evidence comes from the world's deepest ice core, drilled at a site called Dome Concordia (Dome C) in East Antarctica.
The core, extracted using a 10 centimetre wide drill bit in 3 metre sections, brought up ice that was deposited by snows up to 650,000 years ago, as determined by estimated layers of annual snowfall.
Analysis of CO2 in tiny bubbles in the ancient ice showed that at no point during this time frame did levels get anywhere close to today's CO2 concentrations of around 380 parts per million.
I've been waiting for this country to "go green" since the first Earth Day (about 30 years ago). However, if Tom Friedman is getting on the bandwagon (e.g."Green is the new Red, White and Blue") then you can count me out. That weasel, who's made millions with his phony "flat earth" metaphor, was more than willing to "give war a chance" back in 2003. He should inhale depleted uranium dust and die.
Rick92X 12:00 am
"Let's be serious about solar power: It will be at best a source of peak-power supply during the summer months and at worst a heavily-subsidized boondoggle"
By just about any measure you could ever come up with, Rick, nuclear energy is undoubtedly the "worst, most heavily-subsidized boondoggle." It could not and cannot exist without massive government subsidies.
Here in Florida, solar air conditioning and solar dehumidification--even with existing technologies--are practical solutions with short payback periods. Not to mention it reduces peak loads for power plants. In SW US the paybacks would be even faster.
Let me recommend to you Solar Florida by John O. Blackburn, an ECONOMIST, who demonstrates that by the time Florida reaches its population carrying capacity of 23 million, it could "...produce 67% to 100% of its own energy in a renewable fashion and can import the rest from other states." And he supplies all of the numbers to back up his claim. If you believe in the marketplace as some final arbiter, you owe it to yourself to read it.
Like many here been following energy and bio-fuels for a long time. Read the complete spectrum of info on bio-diesel. Been looking at methane. There's the prize question (literally.) Whoever successfully solves the problem of economically converting methane to methanol will be sitting pretty.
Found a netpage from U. of Michigan (pretty certain) that seemed to claim success but due to patent applications and the various rights of the school and researchers no explanation of the system was posted, and the page was dated at least 18 mos prior.
Also looked into methane digestors wrt residential sanitary waste treatment. Found out that 5 million Chinese have digestors as part of their homes. Gas capture and use (from posted pictures) is done as simply and harmoniously as possible. The precessed solids are suitable as fertilizer for certain applications.
Friedman is a slut to success. Thought the new empire would sustain his dreams of glitter, so he turned tricks for the administration. Now he's whoring around with big energy. The Anna Nicole of capitalistic boosterism. I'll have your baby, please!
A blurb in the news section of a Scientific American within the last year reported a poll taken of researchers in related fields judged bio-diesel the "best" choice for development.
Wrong issue!
As we (mankind) hit the serious impact of peak oil, the issue will not be global warming but access to energy. Those of us still left on the planet will increasingly be concerned about just getting our next erg (unit of energy) and not about how that erg was produced. The problem is that the net amount of ergs we can produce with declining oil (and then increasingly declining coal) will not come close to supporting the minimal needs of the population of the earth. We will then do ANYTHING for energy. In that very rational scenario, global warming will be a relatively non-issue. Not killing each other over access to heat and light will be the issue.
If you think nuclear power is a good idea, go to Ebay and buy a documentary titled "Beyond Treason", Netflix doesn't have it. You will see how the uranium waste from the reactors is disposed of by the DOD in armaments. Large areas of Iraq are now uninhabitable, unless you don't mind lukemia, because of the tons of "depleated" uranium we have dumped there. It is also the cause of the tens of thousands of vets suffering Gulf War Syndrome.
If you think renewable energy is unproven and just some kind of lark that won't go anywhere, go to Marketwatch.com and look up the NEX ticker symbol. NEX is an untraded index of 80 renewable energy companies. Call up the 2-yr price graph then click the buttons on the left to compare this sector to the S&P500 and other common indexes. You will probably go "Wow"!
Our company installs solar systems and I can tell you that our sales have doubled each of the last 3 years. It's booming. People who have checked out the math are buying because of the very real long-term financial benefits, not really for the ecological reasons. Anyone who thinks that solar financials don't work, is not making a fully informed analysis. An article in the 4/14 NY Times business section makes that claim. The major mistake made is comparing solar returns to any other investment. Almost no other investment can eliminate your never-ending monthly electric bill. So, a solar investment should be compared to the non-investment of "renting" electricity from the utility company. When you do that, the benefits stand out in stark relief and you start trying to figure out how fast you can get it installed so you stop blowing all that money each month!
The arguements always lean on the side of maintaining our happy motoring utopia while doing nothing to change our personal habits. Good Luck.
The cheapest and fastest way to cut emissions is to cut usage through effieciency. Simply shading a roof(solar panels?) or painting it white cuts a huge amount of heat entering houses. Geo-exchange heat pumps cut heating and cooling costs 70% over standard new AC units and natural gas heating. Combining methods put the power needs of the house within the range of existing solar panels.
Bio-fuels are a literal dead end. The health of the nation is the health of it's soil and removing biomass from the soil cycle is the way to turn the grain belt into a copy of the Gobi desert. Sand samich anyone?
The current crop of nuclear power plants were literally designed to produce the maximum amount of waste (plutonium) in order to feed bomb production. Check Wiki's pages on molten-salt-reactors and thorium reactors and you will find that there was a less wastefull fuel cycle that was tested, found effictive and shelved. That waste sits in cooling ponds at the various reactor sites outside of containment domes.
Your aged parents living out in the desert could have solar panels mounted on their roof, shading the building and feeding the grid. They could have a Dodge sprinter plug-in hybrid van to take them shopping. They could have thier building wrapped in straw bales increasing thermal mass and reducing the load on their new geo-exchange system.
The nice thing about efficiency improvements is that $10K per building gets a much larger reduction in grid load now than that same money spent on a new nuke will get you in 15 years.
If solar panels or solar-thermal units were spread out in the desert among the houses each unit would come on-line immediately upon installation rather than 15 years after project initiation like you would get with nuclear plants.
It's important to note that solar thermal units CAN provide nightime power through thermal storage. Also the stirling engines in the newst solar thermal units are MORE efficient at night due to the greater thermal gradient as night air cools.
The most important thing about solar power is that the technical jobs that allow installation and service are grouped close to where people already live. There is no building a plant and then building new houses for people who will commute to the plant. (Funny how reactor technicians don't buy houses right next to the plants they work in) Solar power means good, long-term jobs spread out across america.
What we won't get to do is maintain a lifestyle that includes longer car trips in larger cars to get to big box stores. We will need to return to self sufficient neighborhoods where the neccessities of life are available close to where we live. Sorry WalMart.
psliver appears to have a great deal of "Text-Book" knowledge. However it doesn't require one with a B.S. in Physics to have Common Sense. If one does not believe That Global Warming Exists, then suck on an exhaust pipe...of your fossil fuel burnin' vehicle.
Scientific Proof is the mantra of those who feel that a monetary loss will personally effect themselves if the status quo is changed.
Wasserman is hard to take seriously. Nuclear power accounts for 20 percent of the electricity supply in the country and many of the existing reactors are reaching replacement age. Moreover, the US is a growing nation and energy demand is increasing. Given these circumstances, Wasserman's suggestion that we should abandon nuclear power, a proven technology for base electrical generation, in favor of solar, an unproven technology for base electrical generation, is flat out nonsense.
Let's be serious about solar power: It will be at best a source of peak-power supply during the summer months and at worst a heavily-subsidized boondoggle that contributes a insignificant amount of energy to the grid (i.e., the current status quo). Interestingly, Wasserman failed to mention the California Solar Initiative, which bears watching because it is largest solar power effort underway in the US.
Finally, on the global warming front, electricity generation accounts for by far the largest share of greenhouse gas emissions in the US. I cannot take seriously any "environmentalist" who does not at least consider the increased use of nuclear power as a potential approach to reducing GHG emissions. At least Tom Friedman is in tune with reality.
1. A comment/question on biofuels. There is concern that some biofuels might be problematic because the energy and resources required to refine them can outweigh the benefits of plant-based fuels over fossil fuels. Also, the large-scale farming necessary for growing them can cause significant ecological damage (think sugar cane in Brazil). I have, however heard discussion of algae-based biofuels that have fewer such problems; moreover, the algae can be cultivated around existing power plants where it can also be used to absorb emissions. (sorry, don't have time to find a link right now). This sounds like a better option to me - algae is easy to cultivate, grows quickly, and doesn't require the vast land resources that corn or sugar cane would. This is not my field at all, though, and I would like to learn more. Does anybody know more about algae-based fuels?
2. In terms of making desert life more sustainable, I have to side with the options of better public transit, more centralized communities, and increased reliance on solar and wind power. Also, I agree that there are some places where humans should simply not develop. Many of the problems are caused by inadequate city planning and inappropriate land use by developers, and can be solved by proper city planning and restrictions on new development. Centralizing communities and installing efficient bus or light rail lines are both positive solutions that have been implemented in American cities, and can improve life greatly for the elderly as well as other community members. I'm a bit puzzled as to why one of the posters above thinks that these changes cannot be implemented "without large scale suffering and dying". Certainly, people will have to use less and waste less, but we can make easier changes right now, and avoid some measure of suffering later.
Paranoid Pessimist:
Hey I live in the Verde Valley and there is a public transit system in Cottonwood called CATS. If they are in one of the assisted living facilities, most of them have vans that truck the residents around.
With the heat and wind out here, solar and wind power make the most sense to me. Also, a lot of people grow their own veggies out here, so there are some good farmer's markets.
Sorry I can't help you on the desert scrubweed question.
Biofuels such as ethanol are not true renewable energy sources. Wind and sun are. Biofuels require the consistent production of crops like corn and sugarcane.
There is where the problems lie.
What if at a point in time there is massive crop failure: a plague of fungi or locusts; a change in plant tolerance for
climate change; bees continue to disappear/die off; the planet cannot produce sufficient corn-wheat-oats-barley to provide both fuel and food for all?
In the case of the last possibility, whom or what do you think is going to have access to biofuel sources? A hint: it will not be the poor and hungry.
Nothing can buy absolution for the grief that Thomas Friedman has been sponsoring. He should just go crawl under a rock somewhere and play with his 30 pieces of silver.
There does seem to be a genuine lack of scientific background in these discussions, but I have appreciated the occasional addition of scientific rhetoric. As a MS Ecology student, I can address the vegetation misconceptions:
1)From psilver58: "Besides, CO2 is great for vegetation, which only puts out more oxygen, which we breathe."
The extra carbon dioxide input into the atmosphere is indeed good for plants as the Greening Earth Society would like you to believe. However, CO2 is not a growth-limiting resource, meaning that plants cannot take up any extra CO2, unless the limiting resource, (water and nitrogen), demands are met. So in a completely controlled environment, which the earth is not, extra CO2, might be useful. Otherwise, its effect is negligible to plants.
2) From Paranoid Pessimist: "would it be possible to make ethanol from desert scrubweed?"
The reason most plants are not used as biofuels is that there are not enough carbohydrates in them to efficiently produce ethanol. Carbohydrates, the primary form of energy for most biota, are high in assimilated carbon, thus the reason that coal/oil has historically made good fuel sources, it's like eating a chocolate bar vs. a rice cake. Although the consequences are have been more like eating a pot of beans, lots of unwanted bi-product. Most biofuels are essentially worthless do to their low carb./mass ratio and energy input/output. This is why sugar cane has some potential as a biofuel, (ignoring other deleterious side effects i.e. rainforest destruction), and corn does not. Corns use as a biofuel is more political than practical. In the end, biofuels are not a silver bullet or really a shiny piece of aluminum. They are just another weak band-aid that distracts us into thinking the boo-boo is fixed while allowing us to put off that internal hemorrhaging for yet another day.
A couple comments re: people who commented specifically on my post.
To ruckus909 who said my elderly Arizonans "should get an electric vehicle, or possibly a car powered by biodiesel" -- they are too old and impaired to drive any vehicle. They live in an assisted living facility which depends on vehicles for supplies and for, in the case of folks living there, frequent trips to hospitals.
To PDJ who said they "should" put in a public transit system -- who should put it in? Who will fund it? The distances between places are so great that only some sort of motorized vehicles could manage it. Electric busses usually have to have wires strung. I agree that public transit "should" exist there, but I'd like to see someone lay out a plan, including funding, for accomplshing this.
PDJ also said, " this area is in an uninhabitable-without-AC, desert, responsible humans have no business building there at all! So, move somewhere else." Most of the elderly, especially those in assisted living facilities, would have quite a difficult time just picking up and moving somewhere else. They don't have the financial resources or the physical means. Many would die in the attempt. And where would that "somewhere else" be? Now, with twenty twenty hindsight as the cliche goes, we can see that building there was indeed irresponsible, but they weren't aware of that then. People have been living in the Verde Valley for 150 years.
I comment on these not really to get on rucus909's and PDJ's case, although their responses seem, to me, to be smug and judgmental, full of "should" they way many liberal-progressive statement are, but to point out the complexity of the situation. Are the "lifestyle changes" that will be required to address the situation really positive ones? What I'm positive is that the "livestyle changes" will not occur without large scale suffering and dying, and we who post thoughts on what "should" occur on websites will not be excluded.
Thanks to Harvey Wasserman for once again pointing out the flaws in the capitalist's global warming anti-solutions. Just like liquefied natural gas, clean coal merely shifts the mega-burden from plain sight to under camouflage. Coal mining is highly destructive to both "people and planet" and clean coal is an extremely energy-intensive process. So it's like gasoline, where the equivalent of 1.25 gallons are consumed to make another gallon. Probably much worst. And by the way, that figure for petro-fuel is set to grow much worst as crude oil quality declines while it's very likely that figure for biodiesel will drop from 0.3 gallons to 0.2 and maybe 0.1, driven by demands for efficiency.
Back to coal, the big issue as Mr. Wasserman pointed out is what to do with the carbon dioxide? It may or may not stay put in those caverns, probably not. Maybe the capitalists can find a way to sequester the carbon such as fabricating synthetic wood there at the old coal plant. But it's all high energy, and we know that the capitalists are primarily in the business of building unnecessary businesses. So it seems we have to merge the energy paradigm shift with a more general paradigm shift, and start doing highly efficient renewable energy at the local level in small independent enterprises.
psilver58 has a B.S. in physics from where, DeVry Institute? So the UN is wrong, 99 percent of the worlds' scientists are wrong, the Pentagon is wrong, but the guy with the alleged B.S. is right?
Friedman has zero credibility, no matter his so-called reputation. The sad part is people still pay attention to anything he has to say on any subject.
And I also meant to say, go Harvey!!!
I would like to weigh in on behalf of people I know who live in the desert, including the Verde Valley, precisely because it is a harsh climate with a lower population density. However, most of them do not use AC. Many people have become so sensitive to low levels of petrochemicals that they must seek out the least inhabited places. Only in this way can they avoid, for example, a neighbor's fragrance-laden dryer sheet exhaust. In addition, a subset of these people are electrically hypersensitive and react adversely to cell phone towers, as well as cell phones themselves. From the perspective of those of us who are already ill and on the run from the "growth" economy, any technology that just steps in where petroleum leaves off is not likely to be a sustainable answer. We need to address fundamental attitudes about the earth and our place on it.
Yes, we are seeing an epidemic of corporate green-mess breakout and it's hot air is only adding more heat to the world climate. The solution is to harness all this power into the inside of a gigantic hot air balloon carrying a gigantic basket full of Tom Friedmans, Al Gores, and 'green' reps from companies like Dupont and Xcel Energy!
Then let it launch towards Mars where it will land and heat up the planet making it sustainable for all Earth life to migrate to. There, we can then re-destroy that planet using our advanced capitalist technology. But some of us might be able to at least decline into caves, where we at still be able to read the wisdom of Tom Friedman and others of that Martian ilk, who will be warning us of any new problems ahead.
"if gas becomes prohibitivly expensive over there, what can the citizens — many of them retirees, many of them quite elderly — do?"
1. Put in a public transit system, a lot of the elderly shouldn't be driving anyway.
2. Integrate the residential areas with the shopping and employment area i.e walkable main-street neighborhoods laid out in actual small blocks, with sidewalks. (I know, very quaint) or,
3. Considering this area is in an uninhabitable-without-AC, desert, responsible humans have no business building there at all! So, move somewhere else.
The idea that we are going to address this crisis without "lifestyle" changes, most of which are positive ones anyway, is unrealistic.
Ever heard of Nikola Tesla? Probably not, becuase his memory has been obscured, even though he was as famous as Thomas Edison over 100 years ago (one of those responisble for discredting Tesla) and his scientific contributions over 100 years ago (bringing A/C transmission to the masses; harnessed the power of Niagra Falls; discovered radio (not Marconi); created the Tesla coil which made radio and televison possible- still in use today).
Tesla already ahd the technology 100 years ago to bring basically free, unlimited, electrical power to the entire planet- sustainably! He actually wrote about the concept of sustainabilty and concern for natural resource depletion that long ago. He had the technology then for wireless transmission of intelligence- and said with a device you could fit in you palm, you could listen to music, download, the news, talk to someone, see photos, etc- way back then. Try to imagine your great-grandparents with the that technology, then.
Ever wonder, how in the world did we get to point we are today, with all these major special interest entities ruling our collective fate? Read, "Robber Barons", written in 1901 by Matthew Josephson (free, online), a very lengthy, detailed text of how this cycle originated in our US history, and the major players involved, up until his time. J. Pierpont Morgan was the biggest player of them all in that game, and he was also the one who was funding Tesla's research, then broke his contract with the scientist because he was completely against the notion of free energy, and is rumored to have demanded of tesla's vision, "How can you put a meter on that"? Tesla wanted to relieve the poor with his free energy technology. The powers-that-were, that-are, don't care about all that.
It's impossible to calculate how many potential scientists missed out having, thanks to Tesla's memory being kept out of our school history texts- he's that fascintaing, enough to make a kid want to become a scientist some day, a scientist who cares about the world and humanity, as Tesla had.
Tesla was 100 years ago writing about "sustainability", awarenes of resource depletion and environmental destruction- these key terms are not a new notion, not some recently derived concepts. Tesla was writing about this that long ago- and the same corrupt, special-interest driven system that thwarted his vision generations ago, is still alive and still perpetuating lies to cover up the fact of our potential demise, thanks to this long-lived system's insatiable, hideously ugly GREED.
For more Tesla info, there is a great Wikipedia entry, and excellent texts by John J. O'Neill, Margaret Cheney and Marc J. Seifer.
Your elderly Arizonans, Paranoid Pessimist, should get an electric vehicle, or possibly a car powered by biodiesel; there's never going to be just ONE answer to our energy or transport needs. No silver bullet against greenhouse gas emissions... just look at all the embodied energy in a Prius (it takes a lot of heavy metals and energy to make a hybrid, you know) and the large amount of plant matter needed for plant-fuels.
If big business wasn't empowered with corporate personhood, didn't pay for every elected politician's campaign and didn't dominate mass media, homegrown solutions like solar-powered electric cars and biodiesel trucks would be abundant and well-known. Reducing our footprint is going to have to come from the consumer, not the producer.
OK, here's one I've started wondering about. My parents live in the Verde Valley of Arizona, a place where distances between places are lengthy and you are far more car dependent there than in L.A. There is no such thing as public transit there, and the only walking you see people do -- particularly in the hot season, which is much of the year -- is between the mall or container store parking lot and the automatic door to the air conditioned interior.
If gas becomes prohibitivly expensive over there, what can the citizens -- many of them retirees, many of them quite elderly -- do?
The case that people have been making about using grown foodstuffs to produce ethanol thus depriving people of affordable food seems to me to be good one. But would it be possible to make ethanol from desert scrubweed? There seems to be plenty of it and it's just sort of there, not being used by anything except for those pesky natural processes. Now before some hard core environmentalist gets on my case for suggesting that we surface strip mine all of the Mojave and Sonora Deserts to supply our insane need for motoring fuel, I'm just asking if something is possible.
Also, an old hippie acquaintance once proposed that the solution to nuclear waste was to use rockets and shoot it into the sun. I'm wondering what the downside to that might be, aside from the cost of building space vehicles just to take out the nuclear trash.
I'd love it if someone would email me an answer so I could post it on my blog, leading to a sprited online discussion.
"Fossil fuel corporations justify it with "carbon sequestration," the idea of pumping CO2 emissions into caverns and other underground storage facilities.
In other words: Yucca Mountain for the coal business."
Oh! I wish activists would familiarize themselves with the science behind the issue. I suppose Mr. Wasserman believes oil comes brom such "caverns".
In fact, at the high pressures of the oil or saline-water bearing formations (porous rock or sediment, not "caverns") the C02 is a asupercritical liquid which is denser than the fluids already in the formation, and just like oil in many even virgin oil fields, would have to be pumped up a well for it to escape. So, nearly all the CO2, like oil, should stay in the formation until gradually unearthed by tectonic processes and erosion - a mult-million year process.
Now, this doesn't mean I am not skeptical of CO2 sequestration's role when compared to wind and solar. The costs and energy usage to separate, compress, transport and inject all that CO2 on the scall of a full-size power plant are so large that it seems impractical compared to renewables. The only existing C02 injection schemes are small-scale. There are no large-scale sequestration power plants planned - mostly just coal industry talk, in contrast to wind and solar, which can be put up much more quickly. And, coal exploitation has a lot of other undesirable impacts. Just the same sequestration and nuclear need to be options on the table.
Or at least if they are going to be criticised, the critic should be better informed. I find activists in a lot of environmental issues are very unknowlegable of the science and engineering behind the issue. A lot of this comes becuse of a pernicious spin-off of postmodernism which regards science itself as just a form of "apologetics" for powerful status-quo capitalist interests. This is preposterous, considering many or most of the worlds greatest scientists were/are socialists and iconoclasts - Einstein, Oppenheimer, Bohr, Feinman, Hawking, Penrose, etc...
I fully agree with the specifics of Wasserman's Solartopian vision, but believe that he misses a necessary, broader perspective. This is exemplified in his response to Friedman's statement that, "... to reach the necessary scale of emissions-free energy will require big clean coal or nuclear power stations, wind farms and solar farms." Wasserman's reply to this is purely technical: carbon sequestration is unproven, nuclear power is uninsurable, etc.
To me, the real danger here is "necessary scale". If one accepts that the scale envisaged by Friedman is unavoidable, then the solutions he proposes are difficult to refute. We must FIRST insist that the scale of our economic activities must be radically reduced, and THEN point out that Solartopian solutions will satisfy the reduced energy requirements. In this respect Wasserman put the cart before the horse.
The other important aspect of the scale issue is the focus on "climate chaos" as the problem to be solved, which disastrously distorts reality. Our fundamental environmental problem is not global warming but excessive ecological impact. In the context of this excessive impact, global warming is the most pressing and potentially catastrophic problem. A disease cannot be cured by fixating on its most visible or most painful symptom - the disease itself must be addressed.
psilver58, the reasons why carbon dioxide is important for global warming and oxygen and nitrogen are not are fairly straightforward. Distortions of O2 and N2 do not generate a significant dipole moment that can interact with infrared radiation. This is a consequence of their symmetry. Distortions of the linear OCO molecule do. Moreover, the so-called greenhouse effect is about the trapping of infrared radiation emitted by the Earth.
This information and much more is readily available at libraries and on the internet. It is well established and not the subject of controversy.
May I suggest that you refrain from wasting internet bandwidth by publishing ignorant rants.
Okay, so "boo hoo" on Tom Friedman and his flat world. He's just another Tory sympathizer and free-market maniac. But don't be so quick to jump on the "green" bandwagon, either.
Global Warming? Well, errr, yeah. The earth has been through numerous warming and cooling cycles before. We don't control these things; they just come and go. "But this time it's human-caused!" you shout. Really? "Yeah...greenhouse gases!" you insist. Well, my B.S. in physics says "Show me the proof." I cannot understand how carbon dioxide molecules do anything more to contain solar radiation than oxygen or nitrogen. And just look at what the globalists want to do next: tax us for breathing out carbon dioxide. Sounds tyrannical to me. Besides, CO2 is great for vegetation, which only puts out more oxygen, which we breathe. So, I think the issue here is back to unburned hydrocarbons versus clean, renewables like solar, wind, and so on. But don't be surprised if we cannot find an adequate replacement for gasoline. Nothing else puts out the energy/pound like gasoline does for driving cars and the big trucks necessary for industrial consumer civilizations. Inevitably, globalists will push either argument toward increasing centralization and totalization, which when combined with "anti-terror" measures means a drastic reduction in personal liberties. I'm not sure I want to give in to that.
Martin137:
Thank you, indeed, for that post. I enjoy a competent response, even if they crash into my own closely-held ideas (as often occurs on these pages).
While I have the attention of someone that clearly understands chemistry and physics, can you comment on this question:
Is it possible to convert sunlight directly to chemical bonds, in a manner similar to photosynthesis, in a large-scale, controlled fashion? I'm imagining a bio-reactor which has some chemical precursors to methanol, for example, like dissolved CO2 or CO in water, along with some type of catalyst, such as chlorophyll. When light strikes this soup, the photons would be chemically re-directed to synthesize methanol, or some other simple fuel analogue. The fuel could then be separated out via some chemical or mechanical means.
It'd be ideal if the fuel could be pure enough to use in fuel cells.
Do you know of anyone working on such a process? I have a greenhouse which I must protect from sun in the summer; I'd love to capture that excess energy during the summer for use powering lights/heaters in the winter, or even use it to heat my house and power my car.