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Bush's Greatest Impeachable Crime
When my co-author Barbara Olshansky and I wrote The Case for Impeachment during the waning months of 2005 and early 2006, it seemed clear to us that the biggest impeachable crimes of the Bush regime involved the illegal war against Iraq, and the trashing of the rights and civil liberties enshrined in the Constitution. Almost as an afterthought, we also included a proposed article of impeachment against the president for his insidious efforts to block any regulatory, Congressional or international action on confronting global warming.
Now that the first two UN reports on the causes and magnitude of the threats posed by global warming have come out--albeit in watered down form, thanks in part to the administration¹s continuing efforts to downplay the crisis--and now that independent scientific research is suggesting that the disaster facing life on earth, and human life and civilization in particular is of catastrophic proportions, it seems that perhaps we should turn things around.
At this point, arguably, Bush¹s greatest crime is not the Iraq War, terrible as that has been. Nor is it his revocation of habeas corpus or his authorization of torture. It is not the usurpation of the legislative power of the Congress. It is not the felonious violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, or his obstruction of the investigation into the outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame.
His biggest crime is a deliberate campaign of inaction and active obstruction in the face of a clear need for the United States to act decisively to stop or slow catastrophic climate change.
This president has not simply denied the reality of global warming. He has actively lied to the American people about the dangers ahead, and has had his administration, through intimidation and post-hoc editing by political hacks, block the publication of government scientific reports on global warming. He has defunded projects that would help document the growing crisis, for example cutting funding for satellites that would measure the effects of climate change on the surface of the planet. He has pulled the U.S. out of the Kyoto Protocol--the first global effort to confront the problem and try to limit production of greenhouse gasses. He even went back on a 2000 campaign promise to limit carbon emissions from power plants, and instead has given virtual carte blanche to power companies to build the most carbon-spewing coal-powered generating stations possible, complete with gratuitous tax breaks. He has threatened countries with trade sanctions for trying to take actions that would combat global warming, and has even had the US government go to court against state governments, like California¹s and Vermont¹s, to try to block them from acting to reduce carbon emissions on their own, by for example setting mileage standards for vehicles sold in-state.
All of this has meant that for six critical years, when the U.S.--the source of 28 percent of the world¹s greenhouse gas emissions--could have been taking decisive action to start reducing the CO2 that the U.S. is spewing into the already carbon-soaked global atmosphere, America has done nothing. In fact, America¹s contribution of carbon emissions to the global atmosphere has been rising, not falling, as average miles per gallon figures for American autos have worsened, as more dirty power plants have gone on line, and as overall energy use in the US has gone up.
Stupidity, pig-headedness and yahooism are not impeachable offenses. The Founding Fathers pointedly rejected a proposal by George Washington that maladministration be included as grounds for impeachment. Rather, they stuck with "high crimes and misdemeanors," which they took to mean acts that threatened Constitutional government, or endangered the people or the nation.
Well it seems crystal clear that the president¹s actions and inaction on global warming easily fit that definition.
As the coastal waters rise, as other cities join New Orleans in suffering disastrous flooding, as the Midwestern grain belt and California¹s salad bowl become dust bowls, as forests burn and already threatened species of animals and plants go vanish forever, and as the throngs of refugees of climate change in Mexico and other harder hit lands surge across America¹s borders seeking relief, this president will be remembered best, like Nero and his fiddle, for the two terms during which he dithered, interfered and actively obstructed efforts to stop this predictable disaster from happening.
For that crime against our nation and our descendants, and indeed against the entire human race, Bush must be impeached.
Dave Lindorff is an investigative journalist and columnist based in Philadelphia. His work is available at www.thiscantbehappening.net and www.counterpunch.org. His latest book, co-authored by Barbara Olshansky, is "The Case for Impeachment: The Legal Argument for Removing President George W. Bush from Office" (St. Martin's Press, 2006).

52 Comments so far
Show AllCan we impeach the mainstream media? In 2005 global warming took out New Orleans. In 2006, the MSM celebrated the fact that no major US cities were similarly inundated and led the retreat on taking all hurricane forecasts seriously. This year they have quite specifically pooh-poohed the forecasts for major hurricanes, reminding everyone how it didn't happen last year. 2005 is right down the memory hole....... Impeach Bush, and then keep going; there's a lot of impeachment work to do.
"He has pulled the U.S. out of the Kyoto Protocol–the first global effort to confront the problem and try to limit production of greenhouse gasses."
Note, the Senate preemptively voted 95-0 to reject the Kyoto Protocol. This is hardly a Bush solo act.
Not to worry! From other articles I've read recently I've deduced that that rascal George Dubya has a solution for global warming: "nukuler" winter. It's brilliant!
Impeach them all then put a chickenhawk in every dock.
OK Dave lets add that to the list, but I'm not sure it eclipses the murder of 600,000 Iraqis (and counting.)
Spring will eventually arrive, and then the summer. Will we take to the streets then?
I'm really tired of people, even liberals, saying "I want impeachment, but it's not a viable option; it won't happen." Why? According to Zogby, about 53% percent of the country want impeachment. Why isn't it possible? I believe this is more people for impeachment than any other president in history, but the Congress seems to be napping. We can't just vote for democracts (most who often talk but vote the opposite way) and hope that they do their job. We have to make sure we DEMAND from the Congress, in our millions, that they impeach, as their duty. Not only will this (impeaching the administration) greatly improve the atrocities (torture, illegal war, illegal wiretapping, signing statements); Not only will it alert the world to our true nature in America (justice, law, truth, compassion); But it will make sure ALL FUTURE PRESIDENTS and leaders cannot use these f*ckers' precedent to do what they will, be them Hillary or whoever, and it will show all future generations, here and abroad, that Americans are capable of ACTUALLY maintaining a democracy when most fear it's impossible. IMPEACH for the future. WE must impeach them all.
Bush and Cheney certainly seem to have committed more than enough offenses to justify impeachment.
However, what is the most intelligent course of action in both the short term and long run on dealing with them? You can win the battle and lose the war.
Impeachment is something to consider, as well as other factors that come into play. See:
"Going in circles: Vietnam, Iraq, calls for impeachment"
PopulistAmerica.com
January 14, 2007
http://www.populistamerica.com/going_in_circles_vietnam_iraq_calls_for_impeachment
The Democrats and the Republicans forced Nixon to resign.
The Democratic majority gave Reagan a pass on Iran Contra.(Most of the same actors from Iran-Contra, are active in the Bush administration.
The Republicans impeached Clinton for lying about sex.
Are the Democrats going to give a pass to Bush for his alleged high crimes and misdemenors?
Will the rule-of-law pevail, or is our evolution into a totally fascist going to be complete?
For those who want to get involved in pressing Congress to act, go to www.impeachforpeace.org or to www.democrats.com
As for that point about 600,000 innocent Iraqis killed (sic--it's really way over 650,000 at this point, and rising by 5000 a month now), I know that's an attrocity almost beyond imagination, but when climate change-induced famines start to really hit in Asia and Africa, we're going to be counting the deaths in the 100s of millions.
Many scientists were saying five years ago that there was maybe a ten-year window to act in during which we could really have a chance of significantly staving off or reducing global warming. Bush has wasted five of those years, and looks likely to blow another two. Now that's a blow job that calls for impeachment.
Thanks for responding Dave. Pick a number out of the air, this doesn't even include the death and disease caused by 12 years of sanctions. OK, so now I'm mixing apples and bananas. (or D's and R's)
I'm not disputing your excellent argument. Uncle already! Couple your argument with the fact that this bankrupting "war" is an attempt to keep cheap oil flowing here, exacerbating the environmental crisis.
Wrong, RMouse. The senate never had the Kyoto Protocol before it for ratification. The Senate voted 95-0 for the Bryd-Hagel resolution, which expressed concern on the part of the U.S. that the Kyoto Protocol, not even complete at the time, would unfairly punish the U.S. and other developed nations. It was an attempt to influence (and it worked- do your reading) the development of that agreement, and it was seized upon as a lame excuse to back out by the Bush administration which you obviously support and which would have vetoed the protocol even if it had been approved unanimously.
Stop the suffering, I share your sentiments, but it remains for republican constituents and senators to develop a conscience of some sort before it can happen; they have too many senate seats and they tend to behave pretty much like the soviet politburo they professed to hate so much. Every dollar you tithe to the DNC and your candidate of choice is a blow to them. Join the progressive clubs, hit the streets, talk to neighbors. Don't let anyone you know go unregistered. They are beatable, but with enough work maybe we can put them down for forty years or so, and maybe the "fearless leader" would be better off criminally prosecuted than simply removed from office.
I do not understand who gave Nancy Pelosi the right to decide "Impeachment is off the table!" The Democrats initiated their campaign for the Nov 06 elections by first discarding the impeachment option. I am absolutely disgusted by the politics being played by the Dems. For the elections they wanted to appeal to the conservative base by discarding what may seem to be partisan politics in the form of impeachment.
As public servants they have a duty towards the people who have elected them to do as the majority demands as well as protect the constitution. The US constitution calls for and has enough regulations to allow the removal of a President if he does not abide by the Constitution. It is our civic and moral duty to restrain a president who has been a loose canon dragging this country into one mess after another. The President has lied throughout his term and called his campaigns in foreign countries a fight for freedom and at the same time he has all round policies which suppress basic rights of Americans here at home. I urge each one of you to write to your Congressman, Senator and above all, Nancy Pelosi to impeach this President. We have to make our voices heard to save this country from being converted into quasi-authoritarian industrial complex!
I am all for strong governmental action against global warming, but will USAns still be clamoring for it when they learn what it involved.
For example, the most effective single thing government can do would be to enact a broad-based tax, at the mine tipple or wellhead, on the carbon content of all fuels. The tax increase must be large enough to be punitive - enough to increase the price of gasoline to at least $8 dollars per gallon. Income tax reductions can help offset some of the burden of this tax, but not too much or it wouldn't be effective.
The tax increased could be then put into renevable energy development, public transit, high-speed intercity rail network, car-free urban development, etc...
But, somehow, considering all the noise liberals made about the "injustice" $3.50/gallon gasoline, I don't think they'll accept this solution.
I have read Senate Resolution 98. The relevant text is as follows. This could come straight out of Bush's mouth today. Yet, this was many years before him and it had 100% bipartisan support.
Resolved, That it is the sense of the Senate that--
(1) the United States should not be a signatory to any protocol to, or other agreement regarding, the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change of 1992, at negotiations in Kyoto in December 1997, or thereafter, which would--
(A) mandate new commitments to limit or reduce greenhouse gas emissions for the Annex I Parties, unless the protocol or other agreement also mandates new specific scheduled commitments to limit or reduce greenhouse gas emissions for Developing Country Parties within the same compliance period, or
(B) would result in serious harm to the economy of the United States; and
(2) any such protocol or other agreement which would require the advice and consent of the Senate to ratification should be accompanied by a detailed explanation of any legislation or regulatory actions that may be required to implement the protocol or other agreement and should also be accompanied by an analysis of the detailed financial costs and other impacts on the economy of the United States which would be incurred by the implementation of the protocol or other agreement.
Bush's opposes effective action against global warming because his corporate sponsors need an ever growing economy, which won't grow fast enough to earn the billions in profits they need to stay rich and powerful, not if they are forced to spend billions of dollars on recycling the pollution that causes global warming.
The basic problem is the growing human population that needs ever more services from that ever growing economy. The two go hand in hand - a growing population = a growing economy. Without a growing population there would be no growing economy.
So therefore, the answer is to reduce our burgeoning human numbers through family planning clinics Worldwide and give women the right to decide if and when to birth however many or few children. Then, as the population declines and devolves to continental networks of eco-villages surrounded by miles of healthy wilderness, there will be no overcrowding, less tension, very little pollution, less wealth for people to fight over as the Earth and humanity return to their natural order, and happiness will be our normal condition.
This is an idea whose time has come, or it will pass on with the impending fate of our troubled species, soon, very soon.
justice April 13th, 2007 1:08 pm
"Are the Democrats going to give a pass to Bush for his alleged high crimes and misdemenors?"
Alleged? There is nothing alleged about it.
In 2001 Bush authorized a program to spy on the telephone calls and e-mails of American citizens without warrants in direct violation of the 1978 FISA act.
In 2004 Bush sat on stage during the campaign and lied about it. To paraphrase; When you hear wiretap, a wiretap requires a warrant, nothing has changed.
In 2005 a federal judge ruled in a case brought by the ACLU that Bush had violated both the 1978 FISA act and the 4th amendment to the constitution by authorizing the program.
Further; Bush violated both the 5th and 6th amendment to the constitution when he violated the civil rights of Jose Padilla, an American citizen, by holding him for 3 1/2 years without charges as an unlawful enemy combatant. Same with Hamdi and an ex-navy contractor in Afghanistan.
Additionally by violating the 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments Bush also violated his oath of office in which he swore to uphold and defend the constitution.
Lobo Gris
I think that what you would really like to say, RMouse, is that poor george was only going along with all those mean and nasty senators who said no to Kyoto, that the democrats who are now calling for it's ratification previously voted against it, it's all their fault, etc. It doesn't work. You've read the text. As you can see it is not a rejection of the protocol and it would not have come out of bush's mouth. The senate did NOT reject Kyoto as you asserted. The resolution is merely an expression of their concern at certain provisions within the agreement which were subsequently addressed in negotiations. The protocol was not even fully written when this resolution passed. Senators who embraced the Kyoto agreement voted for this resolution because they understood that it did not constitute a rejection of Kyoto which they still generally supported. The resolution was non-binding and theoretical for that reason. I wish to Christ I had a dollar for every apology made for this president by someone when he finds his (the president's, that is) pants around his ankles and his ass flapping in the breeze.
Although I'm sure it's been hidden and maybe even branded "top security," about 2-3 years ago the US Pentagon issued a climate study and the published results were that climate problems (water availability, especially) were going to pose greater problems than terrorism. On the list of Bush's grave trespasses we can add the generic category of DEPRAVED INDIFFERENCE to life, ecosystems, other nations' children, freedom, liberty, etc. If all the born again Christian hoopla is real, then this guy believes in END TIMES; and semi-delusional, thinks his name is on the big war that brings about the eventual resurrection of Jesus in the holy land. This contingent, 55 million who religiously read Tim LeHaye's Left Behind series, truly do believe the END has come. Why ration gas, demonstrate any sane sense of conservation if it's all going to end? They home-school their own kids, raise them in mega-churches where "authority" (of the ain't no such thing as evolution/global warming sort) is not to be questioned, we're talking "separate universe" cognitively speaking. And to COMMENTARIAN: it's not just numbers. Rich Americans can use resources that would feed, house, clothe a village or two. It's also about greed!
Imagine their surprise, Siouxrose, when they find themselves, just like the rest of us, starving and dying and watching their children and grandchildren starving and dying rather than floating heavenward, naked on the aether...I'd almost like to see it, but we'll all be too busy hunting for insects and sucking water out of mud-filled socks...
FDR's death or suicide on April 12th, depending on your sources, was announced today- sixty two years ago. Franklin had signed off on the actual firebombing of three-fifths of the homes in Japan, long before Hiroshima and Nagasaki's fate.
ONE city, Kyoto, was spared.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er2xCn3_QcQ
From a hundred thousand to a million people died in one night, 9 March 1945 (depending on your sources)when the United States burned Tokyo. http://www.abc.net.au/rn/arts/tokyose.htm
Our loss of Kurt Vonnegut on April 12th over shadows the demise of ANY of the Jerks that run these "wars".
1860s "Civil" War; 280,000 combatants, 700 recorded civilian dead.
WWI; 9 combatant dead for every 1 civilian.
WWII; 1 combatant dead for every 10 civilian deaths.
1950s; ONE building left standing in "North" Korea.
1960s,70s Vietnam "Civil" war, 3-10 million dead in SE Asia, 59,000 American dead.
1990s Iraq invasion, 2-300 US dead.
Yugoslavia's destruction in 1990s, Clinton said "no one died".
The oximornic "missions" to firebomb Hamberg, Dresden etc. wore religious names.
That 9 march 1945 mission was called Meetinghouse. So it goes.
Impreachment of bushcon is not about "revenge".
Its about justice.
jjpeter, it's more than justice. It is honoring one's sworn duty as a member of Congress.
No one seriously argues that Bush should not be impeached. I doubt even that Ms. Pelosi would disagree that he deserves impeachment. The question is whether or not it would achieve a desirable end. I and many others have suggested that impeachment of Cheney would be better because it would remove a greater cancer from the American body and would be politically easier to do. Then after that we can see how big a problem Bush is and whether further impeachments are necessary. I have always had the sneaking suspicion that Bush is not really his own man and that if you remove the puppeteer, you remove the harm. Granted that with his back to the wall, Bush may then flail out in unpredictable ways, but I think we should be able to deal with that.
Bush will go down in history as the Global Warming president.
I've been arguing impeachment to my elected representatives for years and I have never made the argument to impeach Bush only, but the entire administration. This is not far-fetched as the impeachable crimes are equally shared by Bush, Chaney, Rice. From there to prosecution for war crimes the list would grow to include Powell, Wolfowitz, and Feith, among others. The uncertainty to impeach, just focusing on Bush, has puzzled me for years.
Marlow, you couldnt be MORE wrong. I am NOT a Bush apologist. I think he should be impeached YESTERDAY. However, the Democrats had their chance to get Kyoto approved and they made it perfectly clear that they have NO interest in that. 95-0 is a total, unmitigated disaster for Kyoto. The Democrats take just as much money from Big Oil as the Bushies do. Hell Gore is a major stockholder in Occidental Petroleum. Mainstream Democrats are going to do NOTHING in the area of global warming. Bank on it.
I think Dennis Kucinich will come through with articles of impeachment in late April or early May. He is building a case and support for it. This setup process does take time. No one wants Cheney to become president. So he needs to work on a double impeachment, at least, which takes longer.
Re: 655,000 Iraqi dead
Now estimated to be 1 million. See Pilger's article today (4/13/07):
We need to look behind the one-way moral screen, urgently. Last October, the Lancet published research led by Johns Hopkins University in the US that calculated the deaths of 655,000 Iraqis as a direct result of the Anglo-American invasion. Downing Street acolytes derided the study as "flawed". They were lying. They knew that the chief scientific adviser to the Ministry of Defence, Sir Roy Anderson, had backed the survey, describing its methods as "robust" and "close to best practice", and that other government officials had secretly approved the "tried and tested way of measuring mortality in conflict zones". The figure of Iraqi deaths is now estimated at close to a million.
650 thousand to a million Iraqi's have been killed. Multiply that by about 10 to get a conservative estimate of the number
crippled. The Bush regime and the buffoons in congress in both partys are all guilty of crimes against humanity. They either made it happen, or permitted it to happen. If causing that much needless suffering is "legal" , then the legal system is rotten to the core.
Former Attorney General Ramsey Clark wrote up Articles of impeachment for the Bush regime years ago:
http://impeachbush.org
For Justice, for Peace, for the World, for the Soul of America...
IMPEACHMENT!! NOT APPEASEMENT!!
We cannot allow the daily/nightly raping, stealing, murdering here and abroad by this sick regime to go unchallenged. If we do, simply put, America is dead. No soul, no credibility, no example for the world ever again.
It is for US and our children we must do this. Whether the impeachment vote wins or loses, these mafiosos MUST be challenged and investigated -- or WE lose. If there is justice, they will receive theirs for the incalculable and unimaginable pain and suffering they have created.
They are OUR monsters and we have to deal with them, not simply wait until their time runs out.
If this Congress with '08 on its mind says it's ok to let the greatest crimes in our history go unchecked, they are unworthy of high office.
Want to put pressure on Congress to do the right thing? Want to show them you side with impeachment and ending this war NOW?, Then simply make the switch to the Green Party which agrees with you, and watch them wake up to the new reality that they don't own you or your positions. Tell Congress you have a NEW Voice, and they'd better start listening. Check out:
Switch2Green.org
RMouse, listen, dude. If you think global warming is bullsh*t, just say so. But drop this crap that our nations failure to sign the protocol was some sort of bipartisan agreement. Senators who were overwhelmingly in favor of Kyoto voted in favor of the Byrd- Hagel resolution, because it was NOT a rejection of the Kyoto Protocol. It was a declaration that they found SOME of the provisions of the yet unfinished treaty objectionable. It HAS been spun as a rejection The Democrats did NOT have their chance to get Kyoto passed because they were a minority in the Senate, unable to set the legislative agenda, and would have been outvoted by the republicans anyways. Were they stupid to have voted with repubs? Yes. Should they have seen that their votes would be used as an excuse to walk away entirely from the agreement? Probably. Do the democrats take as much money from big oil as repubs? I doubt it but I don't have those facts at my fingertips to debate with. As far as Gore's stock ownership is concerned, I found this: "The Elk Hills purchase sent Occidental's share price up about 10 percent at the time, which increased the value of stock held by Mr. Gore Sr. Since his death, the stock has remained in his estate, whose primary beneficiary is his wife. The vice president's most recent financial disclosure report valued the stock at $250,000 to $500,000.
"Mr. Gore is executor of the estate, but his aides say that he exercises no control over the stock in the estate and has never owned Occidental stock himself."
"Yes, you read that right: Al Gore does not own and has never owned Occidental stock. This is, of course, buried at the end of the account, but the Times and grundle-James are counting on folks not getting quite that far in a convoluted tale of business dealings stretching over a period of 50 years". So, RMouse, stocks owned by Gore's FATHER, belonging to the Gore ESTATE, not personally purchased, owned, or controlled by Mr. Gore himself. Not an ideal situation, I'll admit but a far cry from the situation as you portray it. I am not a Clinton partisan, but I will defend him. He tried to pass Kyoto; Bush walked away from it and has done nothing remotely equivalent in its place.
dkm April 13th, 2007 8:59 pm
"No one seriously argues that Bush should not be impeached. I doubt even that Ms. Pelosi would disagree that he deserves impeachment. The question is whether or not it would achieve a desirable end."
From what I have heard Ms. Pelosi has been using her position as Speaker to actively block impeachment of Bush.
As for Cheney I don't know of any airtight grounds for impeaching him. Anyone know of any? Anyway IMO not impeaching Bush because Cheney might be worse is a poor excuse for the Congress not doing it's Constitutional duty. And Cheney would know when he became president after the impeachment, if Bush were removed from office, that if he stepped out of line he too could and would be impeached.
The bottom line is though that although it only takes a simple majority in the House to impeach it takes a 2/3 majority in the Senate to convict. That isn't likely with the slim majority the Dems have in the Senate. What it does do though is to put everyone in the House and Senate on record as to where they stand in light of the incontrovertible evidence that can be presented and let's us vote accordingly in 2008.
Lobo Gris
If we don't impeach, we will have institutionalized and given a pass to all that has been done to our Constitution and the rule of law. The bar has been lowered, and lowered, and lowered as to what crimes are overlooked.
Imagine, a woman on her knees in the oval office, was worth expending millions and millions by the righteous right (of course, we know it wasn't about that really), and because of that wasted pursuit it seems that even torture, crimes against humanity, the unitary president's grab for unmitigated power, the illegal war and occupation, the unnecessary deaths of well over half a million Iraqis, Guantanamo, etc, etc, ad nauseum, do not rank up their with a stained blue dress.
We must impeachif we want to preserve any sense of a "democracy" (and I know we really haven't much left). To not do so will keep us on the road to dictatorship.
Oversight and investigation can lead us there, if the Dems have the will to do what is right over what is expedient.
How about he did not honor his oath of office!
He did not uphold the Constitution of the United States,
has not honored the separation of church and state, has
bitch-slapped the American Military, has made more money
for his friends and their private armies than the number of
sands through an hour glass! (or Iraq...)
Whoever is organizing the Impeach Bush movemnet had damn well better include Dick Cheney! Following Nixon's resignation, Gerald Ford was a law-abiding pussy cat, but following George Bush's impeachment, Dick Cheney would continue to be a lying, law-breaking, corporate fascist! So, when you say "Impeach" say IMPEACH BUSH AND CHENEY!!!
I agree with MichaelPDA. There is far greater danger to no impeaching this administration. If not now, when?
The way I see it is impeachment is off the table because it would put a stop to the huge monetary gain being sought and attained by politicians both republican and democrat.
Nonetheless, we as citizens should demand it, along with criminal prosecution.
Good post, RMouse, and yesterday I was just in a pretty cantankerous mood. I'll probably get screamed at for saying this, but in a lot of ways our country has earned itself a leader like george. This may be karma coming around for all of us and the best of us are like fleas just riding along on its back. We've gone around the world for generations now, toppling governments and installing dictatorships willing to act for our national interest, for a modest price, rather than that of their people.We've gotten fat and lazy and ignorant and forgotten that the way we vote has immediate and frequently tragic consequences for other people in this world. I love my country and the ideas some have held about how great it really could be, but I wonder sometimes that we're loved by the world at all. So what form does our atonement take?
I wrote to my senators and Representative in California regarding our need to hold Bush accountable for his disregard of our Constitution and neglect or destruction of environmental policies, etc. Their reply was it would take too much time now as there are more important issues that must be handled. Like what? when Bush holds the power to block any democratic progress? They won't get my vote next election and I told them so.
Marlow: you are including many hard working Americans in your so called karma theory. The real problem is not lazy and ignorant citizens, but powerful corporations and corrupt politicians who have squeezed every bit of decency out of our Democratic Institution. People work hard in this counrty to make ends meet and yet are forced to take low paying jobs, or have lost their jobs and many are faced with foreclosures, ill health, loss of jobs and lack unions that would ensure health insurance. Our so called Congressman no longer look out the average Joe and Jane. It's the powerful and wealthy classes who have stolen America and should be faced with their "karma". But they keep pillaging the world and giving America a dirty name.
marlow,
What about America's children? Do they also deserve your "atonement"?! Surely you would agree it's wrong to dump a whole nation into one big bowl of social degradation, just as it's wrong to characterize a whole race or religion. The USA today sure is corrupt and decadent, but the seeds of reformation are within our own people, decent, clear-thinking citizens of all races, nationalities, religions and creeds who yearn for a simpler, more honest and nurturing way of life. So, work to devolve to a continental network of eco-villages surrounded by miles of healthy wilderness, using whatever technology is helpful. That way there is reason to hope our civilization may actually survive.
PLEASE go to the web site recommended by Dave Lindorff above. I signed the petition and got a lot of useful info. GOOD STUFF!
Thanks Dave for the link!
judi,
We may not make it to the next election because Bush, Cheney, Rove and Pat Robertson know their Republicans cannot win. But if they plunge us into a wider Middle East war including Iran that would probably escalate into WW3 so the Republicans would stay in power for the duration of their precious "Armageddon", probably not long, but suicidal madmen think God or Allah will reward them for their patriotic heroism even though they kill innocent people, and in Bush's case, destroy human civilization.
Exactly right marlow. My 2003 bumper read: George W. Bush - If You Like Him You Deserve Him. And after the 2003 election I decided he was probably the appropriate president for our country, such as we have become. He was not a bad choice. He was a punishment for prior bad choices.
It is not about atonement. It is about taking reponsibility for our own problems. It won't help to blame it on big corporations and evil politicians, which are ubiquitous, waiting to crawl out from under every rock in Texas. It is us, the dumbed down American electorate, who got torpid and ceded our civic responsibilities to people with poor credentials.
Impeachment is just one of many things we need to do to restore our collective viability. It does seem like an urgent priority, but at this point it's almost cosmetic. The problem is not that simple any more. For example, we need to teach communitarian's children to think critically. If we fix that now, then like global warming, maybe, if we are lucky, in another fifty years things will stop getting worse and start to get better.
2004
Thanks voxclamentis. I agree in the sense that what is happening today is a long term process far beyond the short term appetites and attitudes of all the millions of ad-addicted commercial guinea pigs who buy anything and everything on their trust that corporate America is God's will. But I think they are becoming a minority as millions are waking up to the realization that the present occupants of the White House are insane and bent on World War Three as their Christian Armageddon. Is the Congress able or willing to remove them in time?
Don't get me wrong, people, I'm not happy about what I just wrote. I have three little ones myself, and no, they don't "deserve" what looks to be coming around. There are many individuals who don't deserve it, but when you run the Titanic into the iceberg, everyone goes down. That's the tragedy of the whole thing. What I would say though is that as a people, as an American civilization, we've fallen short. People who should have voted didn't and people who did didn't bother to look beyond their own self interest. Remember what Tuco Ramirez said in The Good The Bad And The Ugly: "I like big fat guys like you, when they fall they fall hard and sometimes they never get up..." Powerful civilizations always seem to turn into big fat guys, and they always seem to fall hard. Judi, we elected the people who appointed the judges who declared, I think over a century ago, that corporations have civil rights just like actual living and breathing citizens. So now they can sue on civil rights grounds when you attempt to control their lobbying. Could there have been a more suicidal decision for the future of our democracy? Those justices didn't just appear out of thin air. I agree with everything you said about decent clear thinking citizens, but there will be an atonement for all of us; we will all have to work to make this up to the world and it will take years if we can ever do it at all. W and the repub right are a worse disaster for the country than if the Nazis had actually invaded. "Thousand points of light", "Shining city on a hill"... whether as individuals we believed it or not doesn't matter. We fell for it as a people and it's probably going to ruin us for generations. I'm sorry to be so gloomy; I knew I was going to get yelled at...
in defense of marlow's idea that we have the president we deserve.
America the political entity was born in genocide and built with slaves. even if you wish it werent so if you are an american it is probable that the history of your citizenship begins with a crime that has yet to be addressed. nothing to amend or atone for the stealing of the land or the lives has yet happened -
for our children's sake we need to atone for this. we cannot pretend it did not happen this way, or that we had nothing to do with it. the land is stolen and the people and animals and plants who lived here were destroyed, are being destroyed - and the labor of that destruction was and is stolen - either through outright slavery that we all know very well but love to forget or the successive waves of immigrants - latinos, the irish, eastern europeans, vietnamese, koreans, etc (see a pattern?)
Never before have Americans experienced such dangerous manipulation of essential scientific data, as used by this administration to derail vital environmental reforms, conservation, family planning-- and the list goes on. The resulting long term environmental and social damage are beyond measure, and can only worsen if not curtailed.
Despite their clandestine cloak, or environmental friendly disguises, these sellouts have been evident since Bush first was handed the presidency. They have been exposed by defectors from the EPA, health & human services, etc; and have been documented and chronicled by numerous dedicated environmental organizations including The Union of Concerned Scientists.
The gravity of these unprecedented betrayals eclipses the Monica Lewinski scandal which led to an impeachment, and pose greater dangers than Watergate which terminated a presidency. Blame falls mainly on the populace and our legislators for tolerating this reckless and arrogant occupant of the White House.
Hi all, In regards to the deteriorating climate of our planet, you'll probably think I'm nuts, but has any of you heard of "chemtrails?" All kinds of speculations are held on this supposed conspiracy theory, however, a while back in our local newspaper, a graph was printed showing the extremes in weather patterns beginning about 1984-85. The first observances of chemtrails and their photographs began at that very same time. Hmmmmm? Controlling the weather, correcting the changing weather patterns, using the weather to manipulate a situation....let your mind wander over these possibilities. And, consider HAARP too. I have seen the regular chemtrails frequently where I live, and then some mighty strange occurances with chemtrails out in the desert. I fear our government mad scientists are screwing around with Nature and making a bigger mess than is currently being admitted. Years of photos and observations of chemtrails and their componants can be seen on certain sites, Rense.com is one of them. Though this is a site for all fantastical subject matter, don't dismiss chemtrails out of hand. Check it out.