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Praying for the Apocalypse
The Gilead Baptist Church, outside Detroit, is on a four-lane highway called South Telegraph Road. The drive down South Telegraph Road to the church, a warehouse-like structure surrounded by black asphalt parking lots, is a depressing gantlet of boxy, cut-rate motels with names like Melody Lane and Best Value Inn. The highway is flanked by a flat-roofed Walgreens, a Blockbuster, discount liquor stores, a Taco Bell, a McDonald's, a Bob's Big Boy, Sunoco and Citgo gas stations, a Ford dealership, Nails USA, The Dollar Palace, Pro Quick Lube and U-Haul. The tawdry display of cheap consumer goods, emblazoned with neon, lines both sides of the road, a dirty brown strip in the middle. It is a sad reminder that something has gone terribly wrong with America, with its inhuman disregard for beauty and balance, its obsession with speed and utilitarianism, its crass commercialism and its oversized SUVs and trucks and greasy junk food. It is part of our numbing assault against community and connectedness.Ten or fifteen minutes of negotiating the traffic down South Telegraph Road makes the bizarre attraction of the End Times-the obliteration of this world of alienation, noise and distortion-comprehensible. The manufacturing jobs in the Detroit auto plants nearby are largely gone, outsourced to nations with cheaper labor. The paint is flaking off the cramped two-story houses that lie in ugly grid patterns off the highway. The plagues of alcoholism, divorce, drug abuse, poverty and domestic violence make the internal life here as depressing as the external one. And those gathering today in this church wait for the final, welcome relief of the purgative of violence, the vast, bloody cleansing that will lift them up into the heavens and leave the world they despise-the one that was devastated by corporatism-to be racked by plagues and flood and fire until it and all those whom they blame for the debacle of their lives are consumed and destroyed by God. It is a theology of despair. And for many, it can't happen soon enough.
The guru of the End Times movement is a small, elderly, gnome-like man with dyed coal-black hair, a battery-powered earpiece and a pedantic, cold demeanor. He is Timothy LaHaye, a Southern Baptist minister and the co-author, along with Jerry Jenkins, of the "Left Behind" series of Christian apocalyptic thrillers that provide the graphic details of raw mayhem and cruelty that God will unleash on all nonbelievers when Christ returns and raptures Christians into heaven. The novels are the best-selling books in America, with over 62 million in print. They have been made into movies, as well as a graphic video game in which teenagers can blow away nonbelievers and the army of the Antichrist on the streets of New York City.
The global nightmare that leads to the end of history is a visceral and disturbing expression of what believers feel about themselves and our world. The horror of apocalyptic violence-the final aesthetic of the movement-at once terrifies and thrills followers. It feeds dark fantasies of revenge and empowerment. This theology of despair is empowered by widespread poverty, violent crime, incurable diseases, global warming, war in the Middle East and the threat of nuclear calamity. All these events presage the longed-for obliteration of the Earth and the glorious moment of Christ's return. But until then believers are told they must battle Satan. And Satan comes in many guises. In churches across the United States believers are being girded for a holy war, one as self-destructive as that preached by radical Islam.
"We are at war with the religion of Islam," Gary Frazier, another popular leader, tells the crowd in the church outside Detroit, "and it is not a handful of radical Islamists who are taking over the religion and hijacking it. The fact is, ladies and gentlemen, today if you read the Koran, and any person who reads their Koran, the holy book of the Muslims, and believes what the book says, over a hundred times it calls for the putting to death of any person that does not embrace the teachings of Mohammed.
"Can you explain to me how in the West that we would understand a person who would strap dynamite upon themselves and blow themselves up along with innocent men and women and children with the promise that they would have 70 brown-haired, I mean blond-haired, blue-eyed virgins for their unlimited sexual pleasure in this place called Paradise? And the parents of that person then throw a party celebrating the destruction of their child. You want to tell me you understand that kind of mentality? Because I don't believe that. There's no one in the Western world that can comprehend that kind of mind-set, but, ladies and gentlemen, that is the mind-set of the religion of Islam around the world.
"Islam," Frazier says dramatically, "is a satanic religion."
He warns of Muslim "sleeper cells" in America waiting to carry out new terrorist attacks.
"You may have a Muslim doctor, and he may be a wonderful person," he says. "He may love his family, but you know what'll happen? One day, they will come to him-I'm just using this as an illustration-they will come to him and they'll say, 'We have a mission for you, and you will either do as you're told,' [or,] and they'll whip out the pictures, 'Here are your three children. We'll send their heads to you in a box.' Now, the difference is, is that if somebody told you that, you'd call the FBI or Homeland Security or somebody like that. They're not going to do that. Do you know why? Because they know the Muslim will do just what they say, and when it comes right down to where the rubber meets the road, boys and girls, they're going to save the lives of their own children before they'll save your own. And you most likely would probably do the same thing yourselves."
He pauses and slowly scans the crowd, which sits silently, expectantly awaiting his next sentence.
"I thank God for our men and women who are fighting over there because if they weren't fighting there, we'd be fighting right here in the streets of America. I'm convinced of that," he says, and the sanctuary erupts in loud applause.
America, the crowd is told, is being ruled by evil, clandestine organizations that hide behind the veneer of liberal, democratic groups. These clandestine forces seek to destroy Christians. They spread their demonic, secular humanist ideology through front groups such as the American Civil Liberties Union, People for the American Way, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, the National Organization for Women, Planned Parenthood, the Trilateral Commission and "the major TV networks, high-profile newspapers and newsmagazines," the U.S. State Department, major foundations (Rockefeller, Carnegie, Ford), the United Nations, "the left wing of the Democratic Party" and Harvard, Yale "and 2,000 other colleges and universities." All of these groups have joined forces, LaHaye has warned, to "turn America into an amoral, humanist country, ripe for merger into a one-world socialist state."
The radical Christian right has no religious legitimacy. It is a mass political movement. It is interchangeable, in many ways, with other traditional political movements ranging from fascism to communism to the ethnic nationalist parties in the former Yugoslavia. It shares with these movements an inability to cope with ambiguity, doubt and uncertainty. It also embraces a world of miracles and signs and makes war on rational, reality-based thought. It condemns self-criticism and debate as apostasy. It places a premium on action. It dismisses those who do not bow down before its god-and the leaders who claim to speak for God-as heretics and traitors. This movement shares with corporatists, who are busy cannibalizing our society for profit, the belief that there are a chosen few who know the truth and therefore have the right to impose it. The citizen, the individual, no longer has any legitimacy in this new world. All legitimacy is assumed by groups, whether they are corporate groups herding us over the cliff of globalization or religious groups that give popular vent to corporate-generated despair through faith in the Christian utopia. In this paradigm-corporate and religious-we become disempowered, afraid, passive and easily manipulated.
Apocalyptic visions like this one have, throughout history, cowed populations and inspired genocidal killers. They have enticed societies into collective suicide. These visions nourished the butchers who led the Inquisition, the Crusades and the conquistadors who swept through the Americas converting and then exterminating the native population. These visions sustained the SS guards at Auschwitz, the Stalinists who consigned tens of thousands of Ukrainian families to starvation and death, the torturers in the clandestine prisons in Argentina during the Dirty War and the Serbian thugs with heavy machine guns and wraparound sunglasses who stood over the bodies of those they had slain in the smoking ruins of Bosnian villages. Those who promise to purify the world through violence, to relieve the anxiety of moral pollution and despair, appeal to our noblest sentiments, our highest virtues, our capacity for self-sacrifice and our utopian visions of a cleansed world. It is this coupling of fantastic hope and profound despair, along with visions of peace and light and absolute terror, of selflessness and murder, which frees the consciences of those who call for and carry out the eradication of those they have banished from moral consideration. When leaders of this movement, such as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, sanction, as they do, pre-emptive nuclear strikes against our enemies, and therefore the enemies of God, they fuel the passions of terrorists in love with the same apocalyptic nightmares. They march us to our own doom cheered by the delusion that once the dogs of war, even nuclear war, are unleashed, hundreds of millions will die, but because Christians have been blessed and chosen by God they alone will arise in triumph from the ash heap.
In this new world, where those who seek to do us harm will soon have in their hands cruder versions of the apocalyptic weapons we possess, dirty bombs or chemical or biological agents, the vision of those among us who welcome catastrophic warfare, indeed seek to hasten it, who fervently await the apocalypse and the end of time, who believe they will be lifted up into the sky by a returning Christ, forces us all to kneel before the god of death. The prayers these "Christians" near Detroit-and tens of millions across the nation-utter for deliverance and apocalyptic glory only hasten our flight from reality and ensure our self-annihilation.
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Show Allreligion sucks plain and simple, but i am glad at least there are some clear headed theists.
Nothing new in this. The same apocalyptic stuff was happeing throughout the 19th and 20th centuries.
Mankind has proven itself incapable and untrustworthy in the pulling down of spiritual abstractions, concretizing them into religious and political dominions, without perverting those abstractions in the hands of human nature. It is like casting the pearls to the swine.
It's very sad and unfortunate that such Christian madrasa's have proselytized and misled so many into jaws of this hatred.
Best Wishes and Hope
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk1vEuhBuEU
there is no god except in the minds of the frightened or greedy
God help us if Bush decides, and we allow him, to unleash a thousand-fold version of a 'wounded knee' victory (sic) on the Middle East.
We will then have truly sacrificed our mortal souls by being only passive 'ordinary Americans' and slipped, like Germany's passive majority into being "Bush's willing executioners --- for oil".
The vast majority of average, honest, moral, 'working class' Americans have an obligation to rise up against this fascist global corporate Empire posing as "Vichy America", and to confront it, reject it, and non-violently, simply "walk away from the sorrows of Empire" --- both for our own sake and for that of all others average people in this small precisious world.
"Empire abroad entails tyranny at home" Hannah Arendt.
"And you most likely would probably do the same thing yourselves." Therein lies the rub. The War on Terror is won or lost in the heart of the individual. The potential terrorist exists in every human. The only thing anyone controls is their own choices. And the responsibility for those choices rests solely with the individual.
"there is no god except in the minds of the frightened or greedy"
Attributing religious belief or traditions to strife in the world is a simplistic analysis to say the least. Hitler and Stalin were athiests, so is Chomsky, Zinn, or Gorbachev, Bush and Bin Laden are belivers so is/was Gandhi, Archbishop Romero and Tutu, the Dalai Lama, and Martin Luther King.
Scratch very lightly beneath the religious veneer of the worlds' conflicts past and present, and one finds arrogant nationalism, racism, and economic imperialism on one side and struggle against opression and dispossession on the other.
Good article.
While an individuals craziness is relative to concepts like fantasy, imagination and reason, their identity implies a dynamic link between an individual and society.
A mass movement seems to be a feed back loop of and between ideas and identity.
This point was made by Eric Hoffer in his book "The True Believer".
Fanaticism frequently masks a fragile or insecure identity searhing for abolutes. Whether Christian, Islamist, fascist or communit, fanatics are often indistinguishable in their extremism.
I agree with PJD. God is not the problem.
Foggy-headed pride through nationalism, religion, political ideology, ethnicity, race, sex, sexual orientation, or other social club is our real enemy.
Some leader once said, "We have seen the enemy and he is us." Once humanity can begin to approach life with such humility we may stand chance.
It is especially disturbing to hear Christian pastors, Gary Frazier, preach with zero humility. Christianity in America is decaying into a hateful cult. The media and the neocons might be behind it. Stupid guys like Frazier are being used.
Show me where the Koran says 100 times that infidels must die. That is a lie! I remember reading at least one place where the Koran instructs Muslims to "live in peace with the infidels as long as the infidels do not attack you or drive your brothers from their homes."
Also, there is absolutely nothing in the Koran about virgins in heaven. That is pure right-wing Christian propaganda.
So the Christian right wing fascists are trying to take over and what do the liberals offer us? Gun control, real smart, hint if you sit in a line and sing we shall overcome the fascists are going to mow you down with machine guns from tanks.
Published on"We are at war with the religion of Islam," Gary Frazier, another popular leader, tells the crowd in the church outside Detroit, "and it is not a handful of radical Islamists who are taking over the religion and hijacking it. The fact is, ladies and gentlemen, today if you read the Koran, and any person who reads their Koran, the holy book of the Muslims, and believes what the book says, over a hundred times it calls for the putting to death of any person that does not embrace the teachings of Mohammed.
Are these guys reading the same Bible I am . Jesus would have promised believers even today that they would be persecuted and executed for not embracing the teachings of Mohammed. Stephen was executed for going beyond the teaching of the Torah and Paul was executed willingly even as a Roman citizen for proclaiming that God was supreme.
over Caesar.
Jesus himself came into this world to defy the Pharisees (read Mohammed ) to set an example for us to follow.If I can paraphrase his promise tritely and colloquilly, If you follow me and exclude the world which includes Mohammed which as one writer says doesnèt appear in the Quaran you may be executed but donèt sweat it ; you will be with me in paradise
The problem with this doomsday scenario perpetuated by LaHaye, Frazier, et.al, is that Christ isn't coming back, at least not the way they understand it. Just like the Jews 2000 years ago, the modern day Christian has had it drilled in his head that the Messiah is going to come and kick ass. But did the Jews get a kick ass Messiah? Nope! Sorry! They got a wimpy butt ugly guy who preached love your enemies. Even Pilate was confused as hell and said "I don't get it!! What the fuck is wrong with you people!?"
And here we are today: people clamoring incessantly for rapture. A very big suprise is in store for them: should they go ahead and launch a nuclear attack on themselves in order to force the Rapture, they're going to find themselves sticking around to enjoy their bitter fruits.
It still is and always has been the same thing whether you believe or not: each of us reaps what we sow. Unfortunately a few bad apples are hell bent are sowing nuclear holocaust. BushCo actually believes they can force the return of Christ.
But Christ isn't coming back. Instead Christ consciousness will "come" just as effortlessly as breathing. Why is that? Because you were born a-okay the first time and Christ consciousness is really a collective awakening of our true power. I won't force the issue, but when it comes we're going to see the slaughter of those responsible for the current (in the future) tragedies because if you really want to live as God intended, then you MUST do some weeding. And when you weed, you must get the roots out. And the current root of everything evil in the world today are those who believe in the original lie, namely Christians who believe we need salvation. Nonsense! Ask yourself: what really was the gospel of Jesus? We know what Matthew Mark, Luke and John supposedly wrote - and they didn't agree on key points, but what was the gospel of Jesus? It was simple: love another. Hope, and faith WILL pass away, but loves endures forever.
That's why when Christ consciousness comes we will be forced - effortlessly - to rid our world of the hate that is causing so much tragedy. The powers we will have then will be utterly amazing: we will be able to see into the spiritual realm. It will be like an after death experience but we won't be dead. We will be fully awakened to our true, divine nature.
And that's what Christ tried to awaken the first time and the powers that be - the Sadducees and Pharisees, who built their wealth on lies - knew it and killed him. The second coming of Christ therefore will be mass consciousness of Christ, with "Christ" simply being a label for how we describe our true nature.
Thanks Chris for a very much needed candid article. I would like to add a bit.
Christianity was totally corrupted in 313AD, when it was seduced and embraced by the Roman Empire. Since then Christianity has had its own visions of Empire like the need to control, the need to acquire greater wealth and power.. In accepting the unjust oppression of the majority of people under the rule of empire, Christianity turned its' back to the most difficult teachings of Christ, and has continued to do so today. Christ was killed because he was a threat to the ruling forces of his day, his words were stinging and subversive, like the story of the rich man, the camel and the needle, "the rich will never understand what in hell I am talking about"...... blessed are the poor, ....put down the sword, ...engage in non-violent civil disobedience, ....violence leads only to more violence, ....war is violence of the rich, ....terrorism is the weapon of the poor, .....love your enemies, ...and then to top it all off, Christ ridiculed the religious authorities of his day.
If Christians wish to be true to the teachings of Christ today, they would be out in the streets by the millions, demonstrating against the ambitions of American empire, our war in Iraq, the rigged system of corporate globalization that oppresses the poor, the option of war to advance corporate interests, and the priority of the war machine over decent education, housing and healthcare for all.
The dying god myth comes to us straight out of ancient Egypt, embodied in the tale of Isis and Osiris with roots reaching back even further into the depths of time.
The 18th dynasty Pharaoh, born Amenhotep IV (From the great house of Tuthmoses III), attempted to overthrow the old religious system centered upon Thebes, by supplanting Amun/Amen (the hidden) with Aten (Sun) a worship of the physical sun, throwing the country into turmoil. To honor and commemorate his conversion to Aten, Amenhotep changed his name to Akhenaten, and fashioned a gold Aton/Aten disk as a symbol for his new found system. Eventually, the turbulence t he wrought, caused the Atenists to flee Egypt, with Akehnaten, the great-grandson of Tuthmoses III, leading the way, retaining only his serpent's staff of Pharaonic authority, and the later part of his grandfather's name, Moses.
(Read Ahmed Osman: Stranger in the Valley of the Kings)
Constantine was an Atenist, sun worshiper, to his dying day, with the epitheth: Sol In Victus, to the same degree the followers of Akhenaton were Atonists, worshiping the creature of the sun, rather than the hidden roots from which it emanates.
When connections with church history, how Atenist thought was woven into that of the Nazarene political party, began to emerge from some of the Qumran texts, Dead Sea Scrolls, the church moved in heavily with misdirection and damage control. Much can be learned here from scholars who have published outside the sanctioned filters. Michael Baigent's 'The Dead Sea Scrolls Deception' is one that comes to mind and John Alegro's work.
In summation, what we have today results from the successive hijackings of an ancient spiritual abstraction, seen as it becomes progressively materialist oriented with each passing iteration, from Amun – the hidden – to the physical worship of – Aten – the sun.
Until the history for Egyptian/Hebrew roots is confronted, brought out of obscurity, there will always remain chaos and confusion, for both Palestine, the military zealotry of Zionism, most central to intensifying whirlwind in the region today.
Peace, Best Wishes and Hope
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk1vEuhBuEU
The dying god myth comes to us straight out of ancient Egypt, embodied in the tale of Isis and Osiris with roots reaching back even further into the depths of time.
The 18th dynasty Pharaoh, born Amenhotep IV (From the great house of Tuthmoses III), attempted to overthrow the old religious system centered upon Thebes, by supplanting Amun/Amen (the hidden) with Aten (Sun) a worship of the physical sun, throwing the country into turmoil. To honor and commemorate his conversion to Aten, Amenhotep changed his name to Akhenaten, and fashioned a gold Aton/Aten disk as a symbol for his new found system. Eventually, the turbulence t he wrought, caused the Atenists to flee Egypt, with Akehnaten, the great-grandson of Tuthmoses III, leading the way, retaining only his serpent's staff of Pharaonic authority, and the later part of his grandfather's name, Moses.
(Read Ahmed Osman: Stranger in the Valley of the Kings)
Constantine was an Atenist, sun worshiper, to his dying day, with the epitheth: Sol In Victus, to the same degree the followers of Akhenaton were Atonists, worshiping the creature of the sun, rather than the hidden roots from which it emanates.
When connections with church history, how Atenist thought was woven into that of the Nazarene political party, began to emerge from some of the Qumran texts, Dead Sea Scrolls, the church moved in heavily with misdirection and damage control. Much can be learned here from scholars who have published outside the sanctioned filters. Michael Baigent's 'The Dead Sea Scrolls Deception' is one that comes to mind and John Alegro's work.
In summation, what we have today results from the successive hijackings of an ancient spiritual abstraction, seen as it becomes progressively materialist oriented with each passing iteration, from Amun – the hidden – to the physical worship of – Aten – the sun.
Until the history for Egyptian/Hebrew roots is confronted, brought out of obscurity, there will always remain chaos and confusion, for Palestine, and the military zealotry on its border, most central to the intensifying whirlwind in the region today.
Peace, Best Wishes and Hope
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk1vEuhBuEU
What we really have here is bad 'Pauline Theology' being used by men who would lord over the more simple minds in our culture. Why it is that the 'uneducated and inexperienced' are so vunerable comes from the age old Patriarchical practice of keeping the vulgar, 'Vulgar'... Only those in the 'know' can 'know'..... all others are to be excommunicated or worse if a following is created.. burned as non-patriots... Control is the issue.. and power is the Motive.. I am haunted by the words these men of 'god' profess to the masses.. killing,predjudice,intolerance,hate and above all else: WAR
It would be better for a man to gird himself with a grinding stone and jump off a bridge than to teach men the ways of violence against each other....
be of good cheer..
Brigands them all.. control is their end and Power is their means.. Dogma in its worst form.. The teaching of hate, prejudice, intolerance and WAR.. Not a theology I nor my family adheres to.. yet I see so many friends 'sucked' into the vortex of 'us and them'........
I am a believer that this new form of communication we share here is part of the evolution out of ignorance and intolerance we good people of this planet see played around us so much these days...
be of good cheer
Get up - Go to Work - Eat - Sleep - Repeat
Wouldn't it break the monotony if some one told you one day "Hey want to take part in the greatest metaphysical battle ever? - oh yeah, don't ask too many questions, we'll ask you to leave..."
jeffreyd...
Amen/Amun
We should learn to leave God alone as he seems to have left us.
I think the real beauty of Chris Hedge's piece is to be found in the first paragraph:
"something has gone terribly wrong with America, with its inhuman disregard for beauty and balance, its obsession with speed and utilitarianism, its crass commercialism and its oversized SUVs and trucks and greasy junk food. It is part of our numbing assault against community and connectedness.Ten or fifteen minutes of negotiating the traffic down South Telegraph Road makes the bizarre attraction of the End Times-the obliteration of this world of alienation, noise and distortion-comprehensible. The manufacturing jobs in the Detroit auto plants nearby are largely gone, outsourced to nations with cheaper labor. The paint is flaking off the cramped two-story houses that lie in ugly grid patterns off the highway. The plagues of alcoholism, divorce, drug abuse, poverty and domestic violence make the internal life here as depressing as the external one. And those gathering today in this church wait for the final, welcome relief of the purgative of violence, the vast, bloody cleansing that will lift them up into the heavens and leave the world they despise-the one that was devastated by corporatism-to be racked by plagues and flood and fire until it and all those whom they blame for the debacle of their lives are consumed and destroyed by God. It is a theology of despair. And for many, it can't happen soon enough."
Enough said.
City upon a hill is the phrase often used to refer to John Winthrop's famous sermon, "A Model of Christian Charity,", of 1630, based on the one of the metaphors of Salt and Light in the Sermon on the Mount ("You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hid."), in which he warned the Puritan colonists of New England who were to found the Massachusetts Bay Colony that their new community would be a "city on a hill," watched by the world:
For we must consider that we shall be as a city upon a hill. The eyes of all people are upon us. So that if we shall deal falsely with our God in this work we have undertaken ... we shall be made a story and a by-word throughout the world. We shall open the mouths of enemies to speak evil of the ways of God ... We shall shame the faces of many of God's worthy servants, and cause their prayers to be turned into curses upon us til we be consumed out of the good land whither we are going.
The mindset Hedges describes fits perfectly the Bush Administration mentality. The BushBrigade is doing all it can to destroy the world. These creatures should be removed from office and power immediately. Our country is being run into the ground by a gang of demented, religious madfolk.
Will someone in congress stand up and say this out loud??
I see no difference between the plethora of businesses leading to the church in this article and the church itself. People of the world can debate forever the true identity of god and never know the answer. Jesus taught and for lack of a better word, "preached" humility, generosity, kindness, non-violence, compassion, goodness. He spoke wisely and gathered a large following. He opposed oppression. Only centuries after he was mudered for starting a revolution, was he designated a diety by none other than the governments he sought to nuetralize. Whether he was actually the son of god or not is irrelevant. Today the same type of people use his legacy and call it their own, in order to have power. Be it tithe money or genital gymnastics with choir boys, or servitude from their "submissive" women, they all are in it for the perks and not a damned one of 'em believes what he is preaching. It's fear mongering plain and simple.
Surely the man is being hypocritical by saying "and believes what the book says, over a hundred times it calls for the putting to death of any person that does not embrace the teachings of Mohammed".
Especially when he preaches that come the apocolypse any non believers in god will essentially be killed? how is this different? a rediculously deluded preacher.
wrt to some of the above posts, in no particular order: On that January day before the invasion, I an agnostic, found myself surrounded on the streets of DC by thousands of true Christians - those who believe in the simple undiluted, undistorted message of Jesus; love your brother and neighbor and promote peace and understanding.
It gives me great hope that Jesus was just an ordinary human being like all of us. Like Ghandi, like MLK.
And yes, it is a tragic paradox that those most oppressed by concetrated wealth and power can so easily be goaded into carrying out the wishes of that power.
misanthrope and others,
That part of his essay did hit the nail on the head. Recall that the only place one tends to find these extremist maga-churches is in the completely culturally-and-tradition berift, corporatized, suburban and exurban regions. These regions, serving only the needs of large amoral, non-human, corporations - big boxes, fast food and cars, literally starve humans of their basic need for community, culture and solidarity that dates back to when we first dropped out of the trees. These often lack any kind of public spaces - not even a corner bar or pub ("pub" is short for "public house") So, these mega-chirches offer the only sensce of membership in a community most scond-and-third generation suburbanites ever know, so they become easy picking for the power-hingry christo-fascist fanatics.
I know I sound like a broken record here, but like Buckminster Fuller tried to convey, and as a leftist civil engineer, it is clear that the built-environment is inextricably tied to developing a ideology of sustainability. The US's descent into it's peculiar form or fascism is inextricably tied to the rise of suburbia - which is an utter resourse utilization disaster, but possibly worse, a social disaster - expecially it's completely automobilized, chain-ized, big-box-ized, corporatized, latter day variant.
In fact if you examine the whole red state/blue state thing, it has nothing to do with the states thenselves, just the states's proportion of inhabitants in suburban/exurban areas relative to urban areas.
Thanks to all for the well thought out comments. I like it that there seems to be quite a bit of that on this site. There seems to be some evidence brought forward by Quantum Physicists that we are ALL connected at the Quantum level. Emerging research is giving hints that some of the ancient teaching may be true. Fun, that most myth seems to have a base in fact, somehow or somewhere....
John Freeman
The three main Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) pray to the same God of the Old Testament. This is a God that:
1. required the sacrafice of life,
2. punished future generations for the sins of parents,
3. drowned the entire world,
4. said "an eye for an eye..." and more
Non-believers can not easily stop the Believers of this God from killing each other. Anyone who tells these Believers to "love others as yourself" would be called a fool and possibly killed.
It is a mistake to blame religion for wars. Even if there was no such thing as religion our leaders would use the well known faults of mankind to exploit the masses in another manner. Nazi Germany was not about religion. These types of conflicts are rarely about religion. They are about power and control. What do the Ivy league educated know that the masses don't. You discover that and then you discover how some people are sent off to fight and die and others attend million dollar fundraisers and live in mansions. The fault is in the human brain and learning how to exploit those faults for the benefit of the few. The basics are that the brain has three distinct decision making areas that control our actions. Our most primitive part of the brain control our fears...the fight or flight response. Second is emotion. And third is reason and logic. The oldest primitive part of the brain overides the other two...it is the most difficult to tap into but once you get the people scared they are yours. If you don't follow this religion you spend eternity in Hell! If you don't fight them over there...we will be fighting them in the streets of America. No amount of reason and logic can overcome these kind of tactics.
You can see how the public school system in America uses emotion to get money out of our pockets...We need the tax money for the children. Our poor kids will go homeless and hungry their entire lives if we don't give our "educators" raises and hire 10 more 6 figure salaried administrators to control their education! That is what makes arguing with people who don't agree with you nearly pointless. Until they begin to suffer they will not see the errors of their ways. Notice how all of a sudden Matt Dowd discovered the error of his ways when his own flesh and blood is going to be in danger. The Cost benefit analysis becomes a whole lot clearer. The US politicians figured out their big error in Vietnam. All volunteer force...then we don't have to worry about them because they signed up themselves. There wouldn't be an Iraq war if there was a draft.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1580370,00.html
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As Ahmed Osman's scholarly work bears out, the pivotal point rests in what took place during and in the aftermath of 18th dynasty Egyptian history and the events which encompass the Great House of Tuthmosis.
When Abraham and his wife Sarah paid a visit to Pharaoh Tuthmosis III, (Throne Name Menkhper-Ra), the product of Sarah's liaison with Tuthmosis was Isaac. Abraham in his discovery of this infraction raised his hand in desire to slay Isaac, until the lord, Pharaoh, stayed his hand. From Isaac came Jacob – who changed his name to Israel (Isis-Ra-Elohim). Abraham's true son was Ishmael, through Hager.
Later, it is through Israel/Jacobs son, Joseph and Joseph's daughters marriage to Amenhotep III, that Akhenaton/Moses emerges.
Osman has done some incredible work in ferreting this out, through his meticulous comparison of both Hebrew and Egyptian epic events and histories.
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The biblical patriarchs were all Pharaohs' of northern Egypt, centered on the city, Heliopolis, biblical On, until a rift, incited by Akhenaton, drove a wedge between north and south.
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Akhenaton was despised, his name eradicated, buildings torn down with the later epithet attached to his name as the false prophet.
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Unfortunately Mr. Hedges is all too correct. Many of my liberal freethinking friends and associates have lamented for years the potential for so much destruction by those who claim to have "God on their side".
In 1492 when the Europeans stumbled upon this continent (it was an accident) there have been estimates of in North America alone of a population of indigenous people exceeding 500 million. Today there are less than two million tribal members listed on the "rolls" remaining. This would make the Jewish holocaust pale in comparison. This was performed by Christians, acting on behalf of their God. Being a member of a people who experienced Genocide, both cultural and tribal on a level never known before, I have come to one conclusion. These poor fools (whether Jew, Christian, or Muslim) will do what they think their "God" thinks they should do and the rest of us who do not believe as they do, will suffer at the hands of the more powerful of any of them.
Let's make sure we are the ones who crawl out of the ruble created by those who worship mean, vindictive, jealous, weak and insecure Gods.
"North America alone of a population of indigenous people exceeding 500 million."
Isn't that figure a bit high? The current-day North Amercan population isn't quite that high! In 1492, the estimated population of the whole world is estimated to have been only about 400 million!
Comanche April 10th, 2007 3:12 pm -
Thanks for your observation and I sympathize with your comments and your plight.
Allow me to conclude my Akhenaton saga with another important point. It is important because it bears heavily on the principles hijacked by Rome and certain obfuscation of facts and histories, to boost the ego of vested interests seeking empire at the time.
Moses'/Akhenaton's son, born Tutankhaton, followed his farther to the throne after he had been routed out of Egypt into the Sinai. Hailed as the boy priest-king, in attempt to reconcile the differences between his father's Atenist principles and those of the hidden Amun, the boy changed his name from Tutankh-aton to Tutank-amum. Symbolic evidence of this is confirmed on the throne seat found by Howard Carter. It was this effort on the part of boy king's reconciliation that challenged the fanatiscism of his fathers narrow-minded Atenist views which drove the father's high priest, Phanehesy (Phinehas), to slay the son, boy king-priest.
This then is the scarlet thread that weaves though time, the entire region of today, on into the new Rome.
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After Pat Robertson called for the asassination of Hugo Chavez, I have been boycotting my local TV station in Rochester, MN, since they air the 700 Club. I sent letters to several papers complaining about Mr Robinson and mentioned "boycott." Out of a couple hundred letters to the editor, this was the only letter no one would publish. I concluded that any hints of an anti-business attitude on the part of the newspaper was looked upon by them with fear. I do not think it had anything to do with the power of Christian Fundamentalists in Minnesota, but I have no way of knowing for sure. Anyway, consider doing as I have and call or e-mail your local TV station if they carry the 700 Club and tell them you're offended and will quit watching their station. It makes me sick to think of some poor old person sending money to this evil man.
Comanche April 10th, 2007 3:12 pm
***These poor fools (whether Jew, Christian, or Muslim) will do what they think their "God" thinks they should do and the rest of us who do not believe as they do, will suffer at the hands of the more powerful of any of them***
My earlier post, in answer to this is:
Mankind has proven itself incapable and untrustworthy in the pulling down of spiritual abstractions, concretizing them into religious and political dominions, without perverting those abstractions in the hands of human nature. It is like casting the pearls to the swine.
It is the deceitful heart of men, claiming to be the voice of god that is the problem. The Gnostic's understood it be a personal individual responsibility to communicate with that element of higher self. Gnosticism became such a threat to centralized church authority in the Languedoc region of France, inciting church legions to rein genocide down upon it, in order to exterminate what the church called a heresy.
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I came across an entertaining site at
http:\\www.jesusneverexisted.com
that discusses many of the Jesus myths.
Some poster made the comment that many quantum physicists believe we are all connected at the quantum level. One does not need to study quantum physics or any religion to see how obviously we are all connected in so many ways and on so many levels.
It is interesting to note that con-men and flim-flam artists as well as tyrants have found religion useful for millenia across the globe:
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. -- Seneca
A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side. -- Aristotle, 343 BC
And if one has studied Chinese history, one would know that for more than 3,000 years Chinese rulers (there were dynasties as far back as the Xia and Shang almost 4,000 years ago, though the first true emperor, of the Chin dynasty, was only 2,000 years ago), have claimed to have a mandate from "heaven" and to be carrying out the wishes of heaven.
John Freeman April 10th, 2007 12:28 pm -
kivals April 10th, 2007 9:13 pm -
***There seems to be some evidence brought forward by Quantum Physicists that we are ALL connected at the Quantum level***
The cold religion of institutionalized science will never allow one to see beyond the physical senses, seat of the ego, tethers to the material world and blinders to the higher self.
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Vince Lawrence –
*** The great debate that continues to rage - can belief and science co-exist?***
Today, for lack of better terms, science and religion have become two fractured pieces of a whole. In ancient times, Pharaohnic Egypt in particular, there were no distinctions between the two. There wasn't a blind religious belief on the one hand pitted against hard matter on the other. There was simply an inner and outer understanding of the principle that one is the shadow of the other.
(Read Schwaller de Lubicz: The Temple of Man)
Mechanistic science looks upon the human body simply as an oxygen/carbon aspirating machine, without considering the nature of unseen forces which raise the molecules of dust into consciousness, only to breathe it out again; like the rain rising from the sea. If it can't be measured, science ignores it, or the bits that don't fit the accepted paradigm are simply rationalized away.
I do agree with you to a point, but only because the current corrupt state of both dominions is such that, it would be explosively dangerous if the twain were to meet.
The wisdom of science is: know thy self. Perhaps the reconciling term should be, Metaphysician.
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zeitgeist the only endeavor as abused as the pursuit of spirituality is the pursuit of scientific knowledge. The great debate that continues to rage - can belief and science co-exist? should be a non-starter. If we want to understand the causes of disease and how to treat them we turn to science, if we want to answer for ourselves what we think may be our purpose in this existence we turn to belief. The domains are seperate and those few who try to implant the one inside the other are deluded at best.
We should not be teaching belief in science class (creationism, intelligent design) and should not be extrapolating the insights of quantum physics into Zen. We should be requiring a course in "the history of thought" so that our future citizens of the world have an inkling of where and how the major tenets of modern discourse arose and were developed. This would include the study of (not the proselytizaton of) religion - all religions.
Science involves beliefs, it is just that they are those beliefs which are testable and demonstrably accurate to some degree in that they provide the basis for accurate predictions.
Religious beliefs are based on pure speculation, and can only come to be agreed upon through a process of domination by a particular group that originally holds the speculative beliefs, usually starting with one individual, and usually related to the individual's or the group's benefit. As the beliefs are spread, they become convention, and it is easier to get along if one adheres to the beliefs. And those in power sometimes find things run more smoothly if others are forced to accept those beliefs.
Communists and others who attempted in recent centuries to convert the world to one belief system recognized that it would be virtually impossible to convert the whole world to one religious belief system, because each was based on pure speculation. So, in the interests of developing a harmonious world society, they tried to develop a belief system not based on pure speculation, i.e. not based on religion, that could potentially be agreed upon by the whole human race.
The problem with the approach of communists and similar non-religious ideological groups is that outside of mathematics and the hard sciences, every belief system involves a great deal of speculation. The communists tried to depend on soft sciences like sociology and psychology and anthropology, but irrefutable experiments are impossible in the soft sciences, and so speculation is required and universal agreement is unattainable, unless one uses force of course.
Some capitalists try to attain universal agreement based on economics (so that they can get others to participate in the system because others have something they want), but economics is also a soft science with no solid experimentation possible, and so universal agreement on economic theories is also impossible to attain, unless one uses force.
Humans will not likely ever develop a complete model of the universe based completely on hard science, because not every aspect of human experience that is important to people can be easily reduced to testable scientific hypotheses.
Zeitgeist. You brought up a very important yet little noticed fact about Qantum Pysics. At the sub atomic level, thing are popping into and out of existence all the time. What Quantum Physics has actually done is bring the idea of some type of Supreme Being back into the timeless debate about whether or not there is a God.
The philosopher, William James wrote a book titled, The Will to Believe. In short, what he was saying was that no single religion was any better or worse than another. His feelings were that as long as it brought some meaning into your daily life that was all that mattered. I think this to be a very fair assessment on whether or not one person believes or doesn't believe in any particular faith. It also leaves room for those who are atheists: if it works for you, then that's all that matters.
But now we have to address the issue of all the violence done throughout history in the name of some God. As other posts have stated, this wasn't really about religion, but a way of using religion to control the people and fight wars that hid behind the name of religion. Religious fanaticism is just another manifestation of this same idea.
A believe in whatever should be a personal matter and not a social or political one. If I believe in something there's no need for me to make any converts. Religion as an institution has done much harm in this world. Personal believes don't need to harm anybody
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hybridoma-
My response again is simple: the Wisdom of science is to know the self, therein lays the key in Understanding the relationship of self to the Universe, through all of its varied, subliminal levels, what ever they may be, from matter on up, seen or unseen. From this knowledge comes discernment against being misled.
Science has evolved into the high priest and strong arm of secular power and authority. Innovative thought is primarily militarized and weaponized – witness the pleadings of the, 1940's, atomic scientists against weaponizing their discoveries. They fell on deaf ears, incinerating Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
The intent of science is to maintain a consensus reality by constraining the senses to conform to the direction of its high priests. Any anomalies that show up are either ignored, trashed, ridiculed or dispensed with in other ways. There are many examples of this in the scientific histories of electricity, magnetism, medicine, etc. etc. etc.
Maybe Quantum Physics is the reconciliatory factor that will pave the way back to a Metaphysical view. But as long as there remain deceitful Nautonnier's at the helm of Politico-Science and Religion, my hopes diminish. For this reason, the path is the responsibility of the individual.
It has absolutely nothing to do with belief, and everything to do with knowing. Know the self, this is the Wisdom of science.
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To reiterate: Belief is a yoke for the blind, knowing is the liberation from that yoke.
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zeitgeist. Yes, when all is said and done, it all comes down to what we as individuals are doing.
There's all this debate between Communitarians versus the Atomists. But again, it's what we are doing RIGHT NOW that counts. And that could be helping ourselves or helping a group. If what we do is ""good", then that's all that matters.
zeitgeist wrote...
"Mechanistic science looks upon the human body simply as an oxygen/carbon aspirating machine, without considering the nature of unseen forces which raise the molecules of dust into consciousness, only to breathe it out again; like the rain rising from the sea. If it can't be measured, science ignores it, or the bits that don't fit the accepted paradigm are simply rationalized away."
This is a very simplistic view of what "Science" "looks upon". Neuroscience, AI research, Chaos research, microbiology, anthropology, cosmology, to name a few scientific subjects, are all attempting to further our understanding of what it is to 'be'.
(Also, Science often uses quatities of uncertainty to describe things which cannot be accurately/reliably measured.)
At the end of this research we'll hopefully have rational
descriptions of our universe that we can trust, rather than having to believe the ranting practicers of religious and psuedo-religious mumbo-jumbo.
hybridoma2001 April 12th, 2007 12:24 am
I apologize; perhaps I have drifted too far from shore and the premise of this article and the focus of my original posts. The focus is upon the ill wind that blows, upon a false foundation, a lie, and in that we should all be very afraid. I agree that, individually and collectively, we need to be aware if we are to still the coming storm, wrought by a fanaticism of xenophobic hatred and rage.
Samski April 12th, 2007 9:52 am
***the ranting practicers of religious and psuedo-religious mumbo-jumbo.***
No comment! Your own words, already, speak volumes to those listening.
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